On this episode we continue our conversation on narcissism in the church. It's easy to throw the term around and diagnose others from afar. But what is narcissism really? And how does it impact the church? In this episode I talk with author and professor Chuck DeGroat. Chuck has been counseling pastors with Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well as those wounded by narcissistic leaders, for over twenty years. Chuck offers compassion, wise counsel, and great advice on ministry.