In this episode FQT associate director Che Gossett speaks with Lee Edelman, Fletcher Professor of English Literature at Tufts University, about the continued resonance and influence his book No Future: Queer Theory and the Death Drive (Duke UP, 2004) and about his newest work Bad Education: Why Queer Theory Teaches Us Nothing (Duke UP, 2022). Edelman discusses his theorization of queerness as a constitutive exclusion and form of negation, his work with the late Lauren Berlant, psychoanalysis, and the ways in which emotions and affects -- pessimism and utopianism and their interplay -- animate and circulate in the political scene.