Greg starts with a follow-up (from Episode 4) on title-theory vs. lien-theory states and the difference between reinstatement and redemption of mortgages and deeds of trust. Guest Matt Jones, a criminal defense lawyer practicing in Phoenix, joins the Arizona Lawyer for a conversation on grand juries. Matt, Greg, and Todd talk about the technical features of how a criminal case begins with a focus on grand juries, some case law, a suspect's rights, the jury's powers, and the prosecutor's role. They planned to discuss social issues like the Ferguson, MO riots but ran out of time.