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Idelette McVicker describes herself as a creative soul and midwife for liberation. She was born and raised in South Africa during the apartheid era and spent half of her life living in a system created to benefit her white body. When she was 16, she read a book that cracked open her all-white world and shattered so many of her belief systems. Since then she spent her life leaving the construct of whiteness, unlearning so much of what she had internalized to learn a new way of being human. In this conversation we talk about Idelette's journey out of whiteness that she shares in her new book: *RECOVERING RACISTS  Dismantling White Supremacy and Reclaiming Our Humanity.”  Please note, 90% of proceeds from this book go directly to BIPOC communities who have been harmed by racist systems of oppression.