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In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the recurring issue of embezzlement and financial mismanagement within small Realtor associations. Using recent cases as a jumping-off point, they debate what "transparency" should actually look like in a member-driven nonprofit, whether associations should provide full access to financial records, and what safeguards could reasonably prevent future financial failures. The discussion gets spirited as they explore audits, member oversight, governance culture, and how much transparency is too much—or not enough.
Embezzlement in small associations: Recent cases highlight how financially fragile many smaller associations are and how one incident can destabilize them.
Audit funding proposals: Rob suggests that state or national associations should fund audits for smaller associations that can't afford them.
Transparency debate: Rob advocates for allowing any member to inspect line-item financials; Greg argues that professional audits—not member investigations—are the correct mechanism for oversight.
Concerns about disruption: Greg emphasizes how untrained members digging through records could create confusion, waste staff time, or misinterpret legitimate expenses.
Proper purpose & confidentiality: Rob proposes a compromise where members may inspect records but must keep information within the association; Greg notes NDAs may be required due to vendor contract confidentiality.
Governance culture: Both agree that trust has eroded in parts of organized real estate, though they disagree on the extent and cause.
Association survival risk: When embezzlement happens in small associations, they may face insolvency or be forced to merge.
Checks & balances: Discussion includes dual-signature thresholds, expense-tracking systems like Ramp, and the importance of third-party annual audits.
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