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Leanne Hutton introduces herself as a 61 year old lady with three adult daughters, but she believes her 'ministry' is empathy, something Leanne has found church people tend to 'suck' at!

Leanne says that her God is neither male nor female, is scientific, although she has no problem with the idea of miracles, and definitely is not an old white man in a castle on the clouds handing out gifts.

Dave & Damien chat to Leanne about the wilderness as metaphor for the awkward in-between, feminism, Leanne's favourite TV show and so much more.