Pastoral ministry is deeply rewarding — but it can also be deeply lonely.
In this episode of Deep Roots, Jonny Reid sits down with Andrew Nicholls, Director of Pastoral Care at Oak Hill College, to explore what it really takes to sustain ministry over the long haul.
Andrew shares his journey from medicine to pastoral ministry, the lessons he learned about truly knowing people (not just preaching to them), and insights from a five-month study leave in South Africa, Kenya, the United States, and Australia.
They discuss:
Why pastors must understand people — not just theology
The difference between warning the idle, encouraging the disheartened, and helping the weak
The loneliness many ministers experience
The growing model of pastoral supervision in Sydney
How churches might better sustain their leaders
A new small group resource designed to deepen Christian conversations
If you’re in ministry — or care about those who are — this episode offers wisdom, honesty, and hope.
👤 ABOUT ANDREW NICHOLLS Andrew Nicholls serves as Director of Pastoral Care at Oak Hill College. Before theological training, Andrew worked as a doctor for ten years before moving into pastoral ministry in South West London. He later trained in biblical counselling with the Christian Counseling & Educational Foundation (CCEF) in Philadelphia.
He co-authored: Real Change (with Helen Thorne) — a small group resource on spiritual growth
🔗 Oak Hill College: https://www.oakhill.ac.uk
🔗 CCEF: https://www.ccef.org
📌 SHOW NOTES In This Episode:
From medicine to ministry: Andrew’s story
Why preaching isn’t enough without knowing your people
Lessons from South Africa on cross-cultural pastoral conversations
Learning from CCEF in Philadelphia
What Sydney’s model of pastoral supervision can teach the UK church
Building resilience in ministry Why “one another” ministry matters
A new small group course on deepening Christian conversations
0:00 Introduction
0:35 Andrew’s Journey: From Medicine to Ministry
4:34 Knowing Scripture and Knowing People
5:03 Warn, Encourage, Help — Discernment in Pastoral Care
8:27 The Gift of Study Leave
11:56 Learning Across Cultures
15:29 Pastoral Supervision in Sydney
21:05 Supporting Ministers in the UK
25:03 Deepening Christian Conversations
27:14 Why Pastoral Care Matters in Theological Training
28:23 Outro
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