An illustration — Something I and Pierre talked about — Silence, negative space, and room — Tight vs. looser editing — Exact same background music (“Fresh Start”) — Postponing some topics — Great losses recently — An uncle, a friend, Dean Stockwell — The passing of Norm Macdonald — He was the first outside my personal circle to have an impact on this podcast — Early in season 1 — Norm’s encouraging tweet — Messaging — Sent him my books — The prospect of doing a podcast with him — Amazing amount of appearances on podcasts etc. — Kept his cancer secret — He’s hugely important — Free — A good soul — Feeling of freedom and space — Two different energies people can create — Dave Chappelle — His last Netflix special — Thoughts get stirred around — Not telling others what to think — Narrow path of only currently approved thoughts and opinions — Religious — Authentically what he was — His way of being — Relaxed — No rush — Pauses — Natural pacing — Unlike many other performers — Breathing naturally — Same kind of calm as with David Lynch — Patron saint of this podcast
