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Ellis Rovin, a professor of audio and audio producer for MKBHD's Waveform podcast, joins TFG1Mike to discuss his journey into podcasting, his approach to sound design, and what makes audio compelling. They explore the subjectivity of listening versus sight, Ellis's work on dance podcasts and archival audio restoration, his philosophy on podcast production as brand storytelling, and what draws him in as a listener. The conversation covers everything from microphone technique to famous sound misconceptions.