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Tucked under a remote mesa in New Mexico, some people believe there’s a secret underground facility where aliens and humans work side-by-side—conducting genetic experiments, mind control trials, and worse.

In this episode of Waywut, Jason and Darrell explore the strange and unsettling legend of Dulce Base, a rumored alien facility deep beneath the desert near the Colorado border. Theories include: mutilated cattle, grey aliens and reptilians, human experimentation, secret treaties, and a violent shootout between U.S. military forces and extraterrestrial beings.

You’ll also hear about Paul Bennewitz, the man who kicked off much of this madness by surveilling Kirtland Air Force Base, and Phil Schneider, the explosives engineer who claimed to have survived a firefight with aliens in 1979.

Whether you think it’s paranoid delusion or buried truth, this one’s a classic in the world of high-weirdness.

Join us for another bizarre, hilarious, and thought-provoking episode of Waywut.