In this episode, Nathan and Tim sit down for an open, thoughtful conversation about faith—without debates, dunking, or judgment. With Nathan identifying as a Christian and Tim as an agnostic, the two explore where their beliefs overlap, diverge, and continue to evolve. The discussion kicks off with Nathan sharing an audiobook he’s been listening to titled Why Hell?: Three Christian Views Critically Examined by Steve Gregg, which becomes a launch point for examining how the modern church often speaks with certainty about a traditional view of hell that Nathan believes is historically and theologically shaky. He explains why he thinks confidence has outpaced nuance, and how that’s shaped his own theology. From there, the conversation moves into Nathan’s unconventional understanding of Genesis, including an archetypal reading of the creation story. Nathan lays out why he sees the Bible primarily as a spiritual and moral text rather than a scientific one, and how that framing has helped his faith feel more coherent and honest. Tim then shares his own experiences with church, what pushed him toward agnosticism, and where faith still feels compelling—or difficult—for him. The episode culminates in a thoughtful exchange on the resurrection and the claim of Jesus as deity, as both hosts reflect on belief, doubt, and what it means to take these ideas seriously.
