Lisa speaks with Amanda Mobley, Executive Director of The Center for Accessible Living about the history, as well as the services offered by the center. Amanda shares how a house fire led to her father becoming disabled and how this experience gave her a greater appreciation and understanding of the disabled community. Inspired by her father and his memory, Amanda shares how the experience led her into a career helping others navigate disability.
Lisa and Amanda discuss how the concept of independent living doesn’t always look the same for everyone, and that we all have to start somewhere on our journey toward greater independence.
Thanks to Chris Ankin for use of his song, “Change.”
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Kimberly Parsley 00:00
Welcome to Demand and Disrupt: The Disability Podcast. Here we will learn to advocate for ourselves
and each other. This podcast is supported with funds from the Avocado Press, based in Louisville,
Kentucky.
Lisa McKinley 00:13
Hello! Welcome to the program, I'm Lisa McKinley. What comes to mind when you think of independent
living? Or living life in a more accessible way for people with disabilities? Here at Demand and Disrupt,
we seek to help the disabled community and the community as a whole by bringing light to these
important yet often overlooked topics. Today we're going to talk about independent living in the state of
Kentucky and our next guest is here to help us with just that. Help me in welcoming Amanda Mobley.
Amanda is the Director of the Center for Accessible Living here in Kentucky. She is a passionate
advocate for disability rights and she works hard to ensure that disabled folks across the
Commonwealth are able to live independent lives. Thank you, Amanda, for joining us today! Welcome
to the program. How are you?
Amanda Mobley 01:14
I'm good, Lisa. Thanks for having me! How are you doing?
Lisa McKinley 01:17
I am great. I'm very excited that you are here today and I am excited that we have a program like the
Center for Accessible Living! Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to work in the field of
disability rights and advocacy.
Amanda Mobley 01:35
Alright. It's really not a fun story, probably, but I am going to tell it to you. Really, I didn't have a lot of
experience with working with people with disabilities until about 2012. My dad was involved in a pretty
significant accident (he was actually in a fire at home) which he was in the hospital in UK for, I want to
say six to eight months. He came home with very limited mobility and dementia that was onset from the
trauma that he endured. It's like we went from no disability to that and that was a difficult thing. So, my
family and myself were all involved in advocating for him, because he couldn't do that himself. We
made sure he had everything he needed – all his supports – in place so that he could live at home,
which he did until he passed away in 2018, which I'm very proud of. My mother took care of him, my
family took care of him and that was an awesome thing.
In 2015, I was drifting, because I was never really set on one thing. I didn't know what I wanted to do
with my career and I was always changing and I saw it. I was looking for a job, because I didn't have
one, I had just come back from Utah, I had moved there. I just came back from Utah and there was an
advertisement for a Personal Care Attendant Program coordinator in my area. So, I applied and Jan
Day and Keith Hosey, two awesome advocates and awesome mentors for me, interviewed me at the
Hampton Inn conference room in London, Kentucky. I just fell in love with them and with the CAL and
what we do and what we stand for and that’s just how I got started. It was just a fluke and I'm really
blessed that I got started in this when I did and how I did and here I am today!
Lisa McKinley 03:45
Wow, that is an incredible story! I love it when people can use events like that in their life and turn it into
something positive, especially when it helps the community as a whole. It sounds like you've really
done that. Thank you!
Amanda Mobley 04:04
Yes. Yes, of course! And I'm grateful to do what I do and I am grateful for all the people that have
taught me to do what I do now, before. It's been an awesome ride so far.
Lisa McKinley 04:16
You were recently appointed Executive Director of the Center for Accessible Living. Can you tell us a
little bit more about the Center and what might be some of your goals as Director?
Amanda Mobley 04:30
Yes. The Center started out off the heels of the Civil Rights Movement and people with disabilities were
like, “Hey, we deserve equal rights as well!” They did studies in Louisville and they found out that there
was a housing crisis for people with disabilities. There wasn't accessible housing for them. So, in the
early 80s, that's where CAL came to be. We were pretty much a housing resource for people with
disabilities. It just grew from there and now we’re this huge, awesome Center for Independent Living
and I'm so grateful for that.
Right now, I want to make sure that we're moving to provide the services that people need and I think
those needs for people with disabilities change all the time. So, I have an expansion committee
together at work. I've put that together, I have some staff that are on the ground. They're the ones that
are in contact with consumers and they are going out and figuring out what is the need, what people
need the most, what can we help them with that would allow them to live more independently. And
we're trying to find grants and programs and put things in place for those specific needs.
Lisa McKinley 05:51
When I first was exposed to the idea of independent living, I thought that just meant living as a disabled
person by yourself and doing everything independently for yourself. I now know that's not exactly true.
Can you tell us a little more about independent living and how it's not always living on your own, but
maybe more embracing the things you can do?
Amanda Mobley 06:22
Yes. It's funny… Every person's idea of living independently is different from someone else's. It’s never
going to be the same, it's not going to be strictly, “Hey, I'm moving out to my own apartment, I'm gonna
live by myself.” I think it depends on that person and their situation and how they want to feel
independent. So, it's a matter of meeting with consumers and identifying those goals consumers have
for themselves. It may be someone may want to just be able to cook a meal for themselves. That's
what makes them feel independent. They live at home, they don't really want to move out and out of the
place where they couldn't move out or feel comfortable moving out, but they want to be able to cook a
meal. We can help them with that. That would be that person's independent living goal. I think being
open and understanding of the independence is not a cookie cutter thing. Everybody's is different.
Lisa McKinley 07:16
Do you see once a person gains independence in one area, it kind of motivates them to try new things
and to try to branch out and gain even more skills?
Amanda Mobley 07:30
Absolutely! It's a beautiful thing, actually, to see. We see it every day. I get to see it in Louisville. When I
worked with PCAP, I worked remotely at my home office and I did see that somewhat. But now I'm in
Louisville and I'm really there, I see it all the time and it is an amazing thing to see and it is an amazing
thing to witness! I think it's so awesome to see someone come in and they're only goal was to budget
better. And then they see they can do that and they're like, “Hey, I think I really could move out on my
own now that I've got this budgeting down!” “I've learned how to cook. I think I can live independently
on my own! That's what my goal is now.” I think that's so neat to see that happen! And it's really
awesome thing to watch.
Lisa McKinley 08:19
I'm sure! It's important to really celebrate those milestones. I remember moving to my first apartment
and the dumpster was, I don't know, maybe 1000 feet from the apartment and finding my way with the
cane with the big, old garbage bag to the trash can. I was so excited, but I didn't want to share that with
anybody, because I thought, “You just took a bag of garbage to the trash can.” But it's those little things
I think we need to celebrate and those really help encourage people to move forward and take on other
tasks. Thanks for being in that role and encouraging people in that way. Can you give some examples
of how you've seen people really grow and start their journey to independence?
Amanda Mobley 09:11
Yes. Like I said, I see it every day at work. It really is a constant thing and I read the reports that all the
staff give me and they all have amazing things happening. But specifically, I've seen a consumer
specific that, he actually works in the Louisville office and he came there for some work study. He just
wanted to work on employment supports and things. Now, he’s looking for his… He's volunteered with
us and now he's looking for his first full time job. To me that's just awesome because I saw him when
he first came in and he was so nervous, but the sweetest little guy, and then now he's ready to move on
and he's ready to do big things! I think that's just great and awesome for us!
Lisa McKinley 10:08
That's amazing! I recently read a story where a young lady she had a learning disability and a reading
disability. At 16, she couldn't read or write and it was discovered through the school system. She joined
a program similar to CAL, the Center for Accessible Living, and they were able to address those issues
and help her and now she has a graduate degree from a university! That is where the Center really is
important in joining alongside people and helping in that manner.
Amanda Mobley 10:49
What’s funny, too, is that I started out… I've worked really hard my whole life. At every job I've ever
had, I've always worked really hard. I had a good work ethic and I’ve always liked things particular,
never realized that I had a disability until 2020. I lived my whole life (I’m 37 now, giving my age on
here…) but in 2020, I was very picky, I was moving into new roles at work, I was taking on more tasks. I
wanted things done a certain way and it was really getting difficult for me to do that because my
schedule was getting fuller and I had more things on my plate. I was like, “This isn't [right]. Something's
off and I don't know what it is.” So, I started doing some telehealth and I was diagnosed with obsessive
compulsive disorder that they said I probably had my whole life based on how my childhood – my
answers and things were – as well as attention deficit. I have ADHD, I think I'm saying that right. I only
know about ADHD, so I'm probably saying that incorrectly. But, yes, it's so… Now I look at it and I’m
like, “Hey, I lived my whole life and I didn't even know that I had that. Now, I am doing it and I'm doing
this great thing that I probably, if I had known, I don't know that I would have ever made it, if I'd had that
big plate full before. But here I am!”
Lisa McKinley 12:16
Wow! And people don't really, I don't think they give a lot of credit to disorders like ADHD and learning
disabilities and reading disabilities and how much it can set you back if you don't have the proper
networks in place to help you along the way. That you were able to recognize and overcome and do
what you're doing now? I'm sure you can use that experience to help other people in similar situations.
Do you assist anyone with things such as that?
Amanda Mobley 12:54
Yes, I do. When it first happened, I didn't really know what to think because, like I said, I lived my whole
life before I even realized it and I just thought I liked things particular. So, now that I realize it, I'm very
open to people at work and I’m very like, “Hey, this person…” When someone comes to me, a staff
comes with a problem and they're like, “I can't get this consumer to do this,” they very well could have
some undiagnosed disorders like that, because I know I'm absolutely connecting with them on this level
because that was me! So, I do, I try; I try to meet with the consumers that are dealing with that. I try to
mentor them as much as I am able to.
Lisa McKinley 13:41
I think nothing puts a person more at ease than being able to speak with someone who has been there
and who has been in their shoes and has overcome. This program has actually helped me in that way:
learning about all the things you all are doing and that there are disabled people out there taking control
and getting it done and not letting things hold them back. You all are responsible in part for some of that
so, thank you!
Amanda Mobley 14:14
Yes. I'm really proud of the work we do and for people like you. Look at you! You're an advocate for us
and we love that.
Lisa McKinley 14:23
What types of disabilities do you see quite frequently? I don’t think people are aware of all the different
types of disabilities. You just think of maybe blind people or people with mobility issues, but there are
so many out there.
Amanda Mobley 14:37
Yes, there are. When I came to Louisville, I saw more because with PCAP, it was mainly quadriplegics
that I dealt with mostly on that program because they had mobility issues. We did have some
paraplegics but for the majority, it was those consumers with mobility issues. Then, I came to Louisville
and it's so much more than that and we are seeing a lot more recently of the mental health disorders
and things like that. So, I think that's coming into play a lot more now. That's kind of where we are also,
when I tell you that we're looking at other needs in the community. We're seeing that those needs are
not really being met the way they should be.
A lot of that's coming in. I think that can be the catalyst for a lot of other things. The housing issues [for
instance]. If someone has some mental health needs that aren't being addressed, they're gonna have
probably issues in finding housing or maintaining/paying their rent on time. All those things, they're
gonna have trouble with that. We’re seeing a lot of that. We do see a lot of mobility issues, especially in
Louisville. There is a lot of that, but I think right now, to me, the most pressing and the most common
that I'm starting to see, the biggest increase, is the mental health.
Lisa McKinley 16:04
Are you able to help get consumers plugged into resources like therapy and counseling that can help
them?
Amanda Mobley 16:12
Yes. Yes! We're working on a lot of partnerships. Currently we refer them out, because we don't [have
the expertise]. But with independent living skills, they can still teach people with some mental health
issues. They can teach them, “Hey, this is how you can do a budget.” I needed someone to do that with
me, actually, and I didn't/they never did, but I would have had a lot better finances if I had. So, we do
still help them on that level. But we are working with partnerships throughout the state on being sure
that we're there and we're getting them what they need when they need it as quickly as we can possibly
get it to them.
Lisa McKinley 16:50
We know there is a mental health crisis here in America. So, the fact that there are organizations ready
to walk alongside and offer help and guidance to people struggling with mental disabilities or what have
you is something that we shouldn't overlook. It's very important and it’s great that you all are doing that!
Do you have any advice for someone who is disabled and they’d like to be more independent? They
know they're maybe not as independent as they should be, but there hesitant to leap out and step out
in faith and take the first step? What kind of advice would you give them?
Amanda Mobley 17:41
I would say two things. One, I would say contact CAL. This is my plug for accessibility, the Center for
Accessible Living. But absolutely contact us because we can help you figure out what that next step is.
But also, don't be afraid to make that next small step, because I think it can be [like], “I'm in my house
all the time. I'm scared to go outside. I'm afraid I'll fall.” The fall risk. Start going out to the porch. Make
those small steps to where [it becomes], “Hey, I'm starting to do things more. I'm starting to be more
active. I'm feeling more independent in this.” Make those contacts to people, but definitely if you reach
out to us we can we can get you in contact with the right people or we can help you in any way we're
able to.
Lisa McKinley 18:24
Now you have offices where at in Kentucky?
Amanda Mobley 18:28
Our main office is in Louisville, Kentucky. We're on the corner of 2 nd [Street] and Mohammed. We have
an office in Bowling Green. It's a smaller office, but it's there. It's on Destiny [Lane]. It’s off of Destiny
Lane. And we have one in Murray. I think it's on 16th Street, let me make sure. Yes, it's off 16th Street.
Those are our three main offices, but we also have remote workers throughout the state and if we
aren't, if [your area] isn't in our service area, if there's another place that is in [your] area, you can still
reach out to us and we will absolutely get you in contact with the right place.
Lisa McKinley 19:12
Is there anything else that we haven't talked about that you'd like to mention about the Center? Any
[additional] goals you all might have?
Amanda Mobley 19:23
Yes. Right now, like I said, we're focusing on the main needs. If you're listening out there and you're
like, “Listen, this is a need that we don't have filled here. I'm in rural, far Eastern Kentucky. This is a
need we have and it's not being met,” [for example]. You can email me directly. Email me, I'll talk with
you, we'll meet up, we'll figure it out and we'll do… I'm doing my very best to get things taken care of
like that or at least start them. Obviously, I can't take on everything.
It's funny. We just appointed a new Assistant Director which is Lauren Mountz and we also have the
Coordinator of Services which is Erika DeSha in Louisville. Those two are my saving graces! They help
me so much I don't think I could get through the day without them, because Danny they're always the
remembering a meeting for me or remembering something that I've forgotten or working on something
for me that I need. I'm so grateful for those two, but they also keep me in check, because I’ll tell you, if I
could take on every single thing in the world, I would do it! That's how passionate I am about
independent living! But they are kind of keeping me [like], “Hey, let's work on this thing right now and
we’ll work on this bigger thing next.” So, we’re working on it; we’re really working on drawing, I think we
went back to basics. We lost quite a few programs, we're starting back at basics and we're trying to
grow and really provide those services that people need right now.
Lisa McKinley 20:49
So how do people find out more about the Center for Accessible Living or get in contact with you or
your offices?
Amanda Mobley 20:58
They can go to our website, which is www.calky.org and that has all of our services. We are updating
that, that's not a very up to date page. We're working on that. In the next month that should be updated.
Or they can reach out to our individual offices. For Louisville, Kentucky the number is 502-589-6620.
For Murray the phone number is 270-753-7676. For Bowling Green the number is 270-599-0911.
Lisa McKinley 21:39
Thank you! And we will be sure to put those numbers and information in the show notes. Thank you,
Amanda. It has been an absolute pleasure speaking with you today and thank you for everything you
are doing on behalf of the disabled folks across the Commonwealth!
Amanda Mobley 21:58
Thank you, Lisa. I appreciate all you're doing for us! Let me know if you guys need anything. If anyone
needs anything out there in virtual world reach out to me.
Lisa McKinley 22:08
Thank you. And thank you listeners for joining our program today! As always, tune in next time.
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