Description

This seems like a good opportunity to do some of my classic detailed podcast coverage.

The conventions are:

1. This is not complete, points I did not find of note are skipped.
2. The main part of each point is descriptive of what is said, by default paraphrased.
3. For direct quotes I will use quote marks, by default this is Sutton.
4. Nested statements are my own commentary.
5. Timestamps are approximate and from his hosted copy, not the YouTube version, in this case I didn’t bother because the section divisions in the transcript should make this very easy to follow without them.

Full transcript of the episode is here if you want to verify exactly what was said.

Well, that was the plan. This turned largely into me quoting Sutton and then expressing my mind boggling. A lot of what was interesting [...]

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Outline:

(01:21) Sutton Says LLMs Are Not Intelligent And Don't Do Anything

(13:51) Humans Do Imitation Learning

(19:35) The Experimental Paradigm

(23:45) Current Architectures Generalize Poorly Out Of Distribution

(28:36) Surprises In The AI Field

(30:01) Will The Bitter Lesson Apply After AGI?

(34:18) Succession To AI

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First published:

September 29th, 2025

Source:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fpcRpBKBZavumySoe/on-dwarkesh-patel-s-podcast-with-richard-sutton

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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

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