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This episode is the conclusion of our discussion with Andrew Lombardi and Stephen Durkota who were our hosts on their Laity Podcast. We discuss in more detail the movement up the Spiral meaning how evolution works with regard to spiritual consciousness. The movement into 2nd tier consciousness is not away from the first tier levels but rather a new perspective of those levels. 2nd tier thinking is able to see all those levels from an objective viewpoint as opposed to being the subject of those levels as one moves upward. Doug also answer their questions about his personal journey and some of his experiences with family and friends as he moved beyond their boundaries.

These discussions are setting the framework for future podcasts that will take a deeper dive into Theology and the Narrative.