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First, we talk to Tom Krell (also known by his stage name, How To Dress Well) about the Nuggets, agentic hoops, why the Thunder represent late capitalism, fading Sabonis, Donovan Mitchell as a cop, Cooper Flag's frame, and his high hopes for the Bulls this year. Then we talk to famously fly white boy Michael Centola about growing up with Anthony Edwards.

P.S. Patrick's new podcast "Only If You Get Caught" is out TODAY!! Go check it out!

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