The Best Leaders Are Trying to Make Themselves Obsolete — with Jeffrey Hull
Dr. Jeffrey Hull has spent thirty years studying what makes a leader effective, and his central finding cuts against how most of us are trained to think about power: the goal isn't to hold it, it's to give it away. In this conversation, Jeffrey traces that idea back to an unexpected discovery in his doctoral research, walks through the leadership shadow framework from his new book with Margaret Moore, and makes the case that strength and courage are not the same thing at all.
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About Jeffrey Hull
Dr. Jeffrey Hull is Executive Director of the Institute of Coaching, a Harvard Medical School affiliate, and a Clinical Instructor in Psychology at Harvard Medical School. He is the author of Shift and the best-selling Flex: The Art and Science of Leadership in a Changing World, and co-author, with Margaret Moore, of The Science of Leadership: Nine Ways to Expand Your Impact, winner of the 2025 Thinkers50 Award for Coaching and Mentoring.
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