Three years after their first conversation, Steve reconnects with Patrick Kaler, President & CEO of Visit Buffalo Niagara (now Visit Buffalo), for a candid check-in on leadership in unpredictable times
Since their last episode, Buffalo has navigated political rhetoric impacting cross-border travel, a significant drop in Canadian visitation, the loss of 500 hotel rooms, shifting digital metrics, and a complete destination rebrand—dropping “Niagara” from its name and launching the bold new “That’s Buffalo for You” campaign
Through it all, Patrick has leaned into one guiding principle: stay nimble.
In this wide-ranging conversation, they explore:
Patrick reflects on turning 60, planning for the next chapter, and why he believes tourism is more resilient than most industries give it credit for
This episode is a real-world look at what modern destination leadership actually requires: humility, flexibility, courage—and the ability to pivot without losing your core identity.
Because if the last few years have proven anything, it’s this: the plan will change. The mission shouldn’t.
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