A surf session sets the scene, but the real swell arrives when Kyle Thiermann walks us through the most important interview most of us will ever do: the one with our parents. We dig into why audio carries truth better than text or video, how a single saved voicemail can become an heirloom, and what happens when you trade the role of child for the role of journalist. The shift is simple and brave—ask specific questions, stop litigating memories, and let people talk long enough to show who they are.
Kyle shares the backbone of his new book—a personal arc of losing a close relationship to fringe thinking, then rebuilding it through conversation. Along the way, we explore the psychology of conspiracy status, the fallibility of memory, and the practical ways to record stories before silence arrives. The tactics are refreshingly doable: schedule a drive, turn phones off, press record, and start with one pointed question tailored to a parent’s quirks. We also look at how podcasting changes us as hosts, moving attention outward and shrinking the ego in the best way.
From river surfing in Montana to the limits of going left at Windansea, we tie craft to discipline and revisit the myth of rare talent. Kyle argues for compound practice—one honest hour a day—as the real engine behind great work, whether that’s writing, photography, or building a stronger family narrative. We don’t pretend to solve everything, but we do offer a rope bridge across isolation: story, presence, and small acts of sustained attention. If you’re ready to ask braver questions and capture the voices that shaped you, you’ll leave with both courage and a plan.
If this conversation moved you, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review. Then ask one specific question at your next family call and tell us what you learned.
