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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason discuss the complexities and joys of the Christmas season, particularly from the perspective of church leaders and empty nesters. They explore the challenges of balancing ministry responsibilities with family time, the importance of acknowledging personal needs during the busy holiday season, and the creative struggle of presenting familiar Christmas messages in fresh ways. The conversation emphasizes the need for trust in God amidst the chaos and the value of prioritizing family and rest during this time.

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