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When a conversation turns to issues of race or identity politics things can heat up in a hurry. It doesn‘t have to be that way. The conversation is bigger & more nuanced than over-simplified, snide memes on critical race theory. It is possible to have an honest conversation, move past the emotion and negativity to racial healing if only we will put down the emotions and walls and listen to each other.In Episode #71 of the Intellectual Freedom Podcast, I speak with a 20+ year expert on race and racial relations Milagros Phillips. We discuss a wide range of topics from racism to critical race theory, and most importantly how all people can come together to heal the racial divide.The narrative constantly attempting to separate society based on the color of the skin can be rejected. It just takes people of all colors and backgrounds to reject the divisive rhetoric. The great thing about our conversation is although we didn‘t agree on everything, especially some of the core tenants of Critical Race Theory; yet, we were able to walk away from a hard conversation with a greater understanding of each other‘s perspective, the issues, and ultimately we agreed on many more things than we disagreed.I hope you will check out the podcast!

Visit my website at davidhopkins.com.