We kick off Season 4 with Patrick Söderlund, CEO/founder of Embark Studios and maker of the hit Arc Raiders. Former head of DICE and Battlefield at EA, he found faster ways to build. We discuss owing the community, AI, and incredible value - this week!
[00:00:00] Intro: Patrick Söderlund
[00:13:23] The recipe for games people want to play
Patrick explains that the core motivation isn't money, it's finding the recipe that makes people want to come back. He'd go stand in midnight launch lines just to feel what players felt.
[00:18:25] 12 years at EA and why he left
Patrick describes staying longer than planned, and ultimately leaving because he missed being close to the creative and building process, not because of the company.
[00:21:22] What was missing: the building process
Patrick explains the inner dialogue of walking away from a senior exec role – he knew he'd drifted too far from creation and needed to get back to it.
[00:23:12] Battlefront II and its launch
Patrick talks about a game that deserved a better launch, while noting it's still beloved today and holds up visually.
[00:28:17] The 100X pipeline challenge at Embark
Rather than trying to make things 10X better (which just leads to patching old tools), Patrick challenged his team to think 100X faster — forcing them to throw out all assumptions and reinvent their content pipeline from scratch.
[00:39:19] Why Arc Raiders uses robots, not humanoids
A deliberate design decision and the production cycle in action: how robots let the team hide quirks and unexpected behavior, discovering players don't have preconceived notions of how a machine "should" move. This also drove deep investment in reinforcement learning for AI enemies.
[00:56:41] Patrick's measured take on AI in game development
He separates automating tedious tasks from replacing creative talent, acknowledges the sensitivity around AI voices, and argues the industry needs to understand the full ecosystem before passing harsh judgment.
[1:04:55] The Super Mario Bros. moment that started it all
At 12 or 13, renting an NES at a gas station and discovering Super Mario Bros. gave Patrick the same sense of limitless wonder he imagines kids feel playing GTA today — and he decided right then he had to make games.
[01:13:14] Outro: Wrapping Up
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