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Governance Watch explores whether the traditional model of the NED is still fit for purpose in a faster, more complex world. Host Gavin Hinks is joined by Baroness Natalie Evans, chair of the Institute of Directors commission behind a major new report, and Professor Irene-Marie Esser of the University of Glasgow, to unpack why boards now need 'rewiring' beyond the post-Higgs era. They argue that independence should mean more than avoiding conflicts of interest, it must also include independence of mind to counter groupthink, strengthen challenge, and improve governance in practice. The conversation covers why conservative recruitment and over-reliance on traditional pipelines can leave boards under-skilled for today’s risks (from technology and cyber to geopolitics and sustainability), and why NEDs may need deeper engagement with the organisation, better information flows, and stronger support to add strategic value. With 'curiosity' as the standout call to action, the episode offers a practical blueprint for board leaders looking to improve effectiveness, culture, and long-term decision-making.