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 In this powerful and heartfelt episode of With Grace, Octavia sits down with Missionary and Pastor Daniel Kalta for a conversation titled “Getting Egypt Out of Me.”

Together, they unpack what it really means to walk in freedom — not just to come out of bondage, but to let God take bondage out of us.

They explore the tension between being set free in a moment and sanctified over a lifetime. From the Israelites in the wilderness to the internal strongholds that keep us stuck, this episode dives deep into how God lovingly “turns up the heat” to refine us — not to punish us, but to prepare us for the Promised Land.

You’ll hear raw reflections on renewal, gratitude, and spiritual maturity — and a reminder that God doesn’t just deliver us from something; He delivers us to Himself.

If you’ve ever felt free but still fought old patterns, or if you’re in a wilderness season wondering where God is — this conversation will remind you: He brought you out to bring you close.

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