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If you’ve been around Five with Fry for a while, you know we talk a lot about the difference between what’s hard and what’s complicated—and if you haven’t, go back and catch up, because those episodes are gold.

In this one, Dr. Jen Fry gets personal. She shares what she learned after her mom, Carol Fry, passed away in June 2020, using that experience to break down how grief and logistics collide. Going through a parent’s things? That’s hard. Navigating probate, bills, and paperwork? That’s complicated. And when you don’t have your affairs in order, the complicated makes the hard even harder.

Jen walks through simple, real-world steps—like setting up a legacy contact, naming an emergency contact, and getting your paperwork together—so your people aren’t left drowning in details when they should be remembering you.

This episode is both heart and homework: a reminder that planning ahead isn’t morbid, it’s love in action.