Description

In our debut episode, meet your hosts—two ER doctors turned health policy nerds—who are fed up with pretending everything’s fine in healthcare when it’s clearly… not. From government chaos to moral injury in medicine, we kick off with a candid (and sometimes hilarious) look at why the system feels broken and what inspired us to start this podcast.

We dive into:

• Why DC’s silence is anything but quiet
• How we met (shout out, UNC!)
• Why instability isn’t the end—it’s the start of something real
• What we’ve seen across U.S. and U.K. healthcare systems
• The absurdity of public service layoffs, burnout, and corporate creep
• And yes, the origin of our name—including a very real code brown moment

If you’ve ever felt disoriented navigating the healthcare system—from inside or out—you’re not alone. We're here to pull back the curtain, talk about what’s actually happening, and invite the brilliant, bold, and brave to help us make sense of the madness.