A Baptist pastor walks into the FBI Academy, and somehow the values don’t break. I’m joined by Eric Robinson, who retires after 24 years in the FBI and brings a rare perspective on leadership, stress, and integrity from both Christian ministry and federal law enforcement. We start with the church he helped plant, built for people who felt judged or pushed out, and the “flinch test” he used to see whether a community could truly welcome someone who looked different, loved different, or showed up messy.
From there, the story turns fast: Eric preaches on Easter Sunday and is in Quantico the next week. We talk about why his approach stayed the same, how curiosity opens doors in investigations, and why kindness can be a tactical advantage during arrests and interviews. He explains how de-escalation works when you already have authority, how people respond when they feel respected, and what it’s like to operate in SWAT environments where timing and control matter.
We also dig into the cost of carrying other people’s problems, the difference between ministry stress and casework stress, and what it means to live with risk without living in fear. Eric shares plans for his upcoming book, packed with real FBI stories and after-action reviews, then we land on his core three values: curiosity, love, and loyalty plus a grounded take on masculinity where vulnerability is courage, not weakness.
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Chapters
00:00 From Pulpit to FBI: A Unique Journey
02:25 Embracing Curiosity and Kindness in Leadership
05:18 Transitioning to the FBI: Values that Endure
07:49 The Power of Respect in Law Enforcement
10:29 Crazy Stories from the Field
13:12 The Importance of Justice and Redemption
15:49 Life After the FBI: Writing and Reflection
18:19 Core Values: Curiosity, Love, and Loyalty
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