In this episode of Making More, Billy is joined by Sabrina Shafer—behavioral analyst, entrepreneur, attorney, and keynote speaker known for helping leaders turn complexity into competitive advantage. Drawing from her “Fear Forward” philosophy, Sabrina breaks down why the outcome doesn’t matter nearly as much as the willingness to show up scared and take action anyway.
Together, they explore what authentic leadership actually looks like inside high-pressure environments: how to reframe setbacks, build cultures of collaboration and psychological safety, and lead teams who don’t just perform—they think better under uncertainty. If you’re a business owner, sales leader, or executive navigating rapid change, this conversation is a masterclass in courage, character, and building momentum when the world won’t slow down.
Find out more about Sabrina on her website or on LinkedIn and Instagram.
Find Billy on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/bigeyedfisch/ or visit his website, billyfischer.focalpointcoaching.com.
