In this episode of Rugby Legends, Arthur Dickins is joined by one of the most respected figures the game has ever produced — Martin Johnson. Former England captain, World Cup winner, Lions leader, and a player who defined what standards really mean at the highest level.
Martin breaks down what it actually takes to beat the All Blacks, why England’s current squad depth is the strongest it’s been in years, and how small decisions — like when to take points — can change the psychology of a Test match. He also shares his honest thoughts on Six Nations contenders, leadership under pressure, and why champions are driven more by love of the work than love of the spotlight.
The conversation moves beyond results and trophies into the unseen side of elite rugby. Martin reflects on the game that shaped him, the transition from number eight to second row, and the skills big players must work hardest to master. He explains why props are the true foundation of any great team, why coaching can be harder than playing, and how to shut out noise from media and fans.
This episode is packed with lessons for young players, coaches, and parents alike — from mindset and resilience to teamwork, enjoyment, and long-term pride. It’s a reminder that rugby, at its best, builds people as much as it builds players.
