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Plato’s Meno asks a deceptively simple question: can virtue be taught? This episode pairs the dialogue with the disruptive assignment “Fluency or Thought: Peer Reviewing AI” to challenge higher education’s over-emphasis on quantified assessment and career preparation. By contrasting fluent AI writing with imperfect human philosophical struggle, and reading Socrates’ slave-boy demonstration as a disruption of passive learning, the episode shows how genuine understanding resists metrics and polish, and must instead be discovered through inquiry and self-achieved insight—which turn out to be highly marketable skills in the workplace.
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