If you can't stop trying to control everything, keeping every plate spinning because it feels like it all depends on you, this conversation is for you. Tony and Maggie get honest about their own need to be in charge, and why letting go of control might be the strongest thing you ever do.
They find the answer somewhere unexpected: Revelation 5. John is told a conquering lion has won, and when he turns around, he sees a slain lamb, still standing. The victory came through what looked like weakness. Tony and Maggie talk about what that means on an ordinary Tuesday: why the Lamb is never anxious, what it looks like to trade control for trust, and why giving yourself for the people you love doesn't mean you stop taking care of yourself.