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David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than you'd think. 

Mo and David get into red teaming, what good metrics look like in a probabilistic system, why you should probably stop measuring AI and start measuring outcomes, and what we actually owe the workers whose roles are being quietly restructured. 

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