In this candid conversation, three former pastors—Tim Harlow, Michael Easley, and Mike Glenn—share hard-won wisdom on shepherding in a changing world. From overhead projectors and cassette tapes to livestreams and AI, they trace how technology has always rattled the church—and how to use new tools with integrity: attribution over plagiarism, outlines that aid but never replace soul-deep preaching, and tech that informs without trying to transform.
They also get painfully practical about people and teams—moving from “more staff” to “the right roles,” hiring for discipleship and character, setting clear expectations, and knowing when to release someone with grace. Along the way they revisit adult education vs. small groups, protecting sermon intellectual property, and why discipleship—not production—must carry the weight of ministry.
With honesty and humor, they speak to the long game of calling: planning financially before you’re forced to, preparing emotionally to hand the baton, and remembering you’re a child of God before you’re a title. This episode is a steadying word for pastors who want to lead well, love their people, and finish with faithfulness.
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