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Today's SWAPA Number is 20, as in 20 questions, because that's what we're doing today on the show with typical host, Kurt Heidemann, who also happens to be a part of the NC.

We've been in negotiations for more than three years, and the SEP process ran for two years before that. With that much time, a lot of our pilots either forgot or weren't here to know the why's behind some of our asks and how the NC conducts our negotiations. So today, we spent some time talking with Kurt about those why's.

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