Today’s guest grew up dreaming of Notre Dame football, and even when he didn’t get in—or start in high school—he never let go of that goal. Through persistence and discipline, he transferred into Notre Dame, walked on to the football team, and earned his place through relentless work behind the scenes. That same mindset carried him into economics, Capitol Hill, and now a deeper conversation about affordability, health, and how systems really work. This episode is about long-term effort, quiet grit, and playing the long game.
