In this episode, Lala and Brian sit down with Donna Pope, Executive Director of Heart to Heart Adoptions, to peel back the layers of the adoption experience. From the gut-wrenching grief and "placement" decisions of birth mothers to the complexities of raising three sons as a single adoptive mother, Donna provides a masterclass in empathy, honesty, and "self-determination." Whether you are considering adoption, are part of the adoption triad, or simply want to understand how a heart grows through radical change, this conversation offers the "mic drop" moments you need to hear.