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On a scorching summer day in 1986, Javier and Shannan first met on a junior high campus in Southern California. Shannan had short, permed hair and braces and even wore slippers to school, while Javier sported an epic mullet and mustache and was clad in a trenchcoat. They have been on quite a journey since then, and they will unpack it all for you in this episode on how we met.

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The "Original" Marriage Flippers

Meet the Labradors—Javier and Shannan. Married 33 years, they’ve weathered the highs, lows, and everything in between—and now their mission is simple: to see marriages thrive, not just survive. As sought-after conference speakers, authors, podcast hosts, and creators of 24/7 Marriage Bootcamps—3-day intensives that help couples hit reset—they bring humor, honesty, and hard-won wisdom to every conversation.


Restoring Hope. Redeeming Stories. Rebuilding Strong Marriages.
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