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What do you say about your marriage to others?  What do you tell people when they ask you how marriage is?  Do you say it's fine, it's ok?  Did you sign up for fine or ok?  Listen to Shannan and Javier talk about the importance of our words.  How we speak about our marriage shapes what we think and believe.

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The "Original" Marriage Flippers

Meet the Labradors—Javier and Shannan. Married 33 years, they’ve weathered the highs, lows, and everything in between—and now their mission is simple: to see marriages thrive, not just survive. As sought-after conference speakers, authors, podcast hosts, and creators of 24/7 Marriage Bootcamps—3-day intensives that help couples hit reset—they bring humor, honesty, and hard-won wisdom to every conversation.


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