"I think that can be discouraging, particularly when I see groups that say, 'Okay, we want to be collaborative.' So we adopt Agile, we adopt Sociocracy, we adopt a thing, and we really study it, and we learn it and it is better. Like clearly we are and it is better. But we're not getting what the pamphlet said. We're not getting what we thought we were gonna get. We don't have this beautiful flow. We don't all love coming to work every day. We still have conflict. We still have disagreements. We still get stuck on things. Why is that?"
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