" What most of us kind of grew up with is this assumption that if I'm in a disagreement, I'm trying to win. This is debate club. The goal is to win, and the way that I win is to put down the other person in some way.
So if I can just dismiss them, that means I win. And I wanna point out, I don't think it works that way."
Karen & Paul talk about the importance of validating others' perspectives even in disagreements.
