Singer and broadcaster, Fleur East, joins Gaby for a natter about all things joy.
They talk about women helping women - and how Fleur is encouraging everyone to grow their networks, and help lift each other up. Women are exhausted - but there is unity!
They talk about motherhood, coming up against stigmatism in the workplace and why more and more the loud, negative voices are being amplified - but are not the ones we should be listening to.
Fleur is busy busy - and has a varied career; so they chat about her radio career, her singing - and of course - what brings her the most joy!
