This Sauna Talk episode was recorded in New York City at the Recent Culture of Bathing Gathering, mid January 2025.

Shelby, Artist, Painter, Thermé Group: Bringing artists and design into the Thermé bathing facilities.

Dimitri Shapiro, Co-owner, The Russian and Turkish Baths: "You'll see a very diverse group. Our clientele has become younger.. and more diverse." 5 hot rooms. Rock is heated by gas over night. "A lost art. It takes up a lot of space." The stove is 130 years old.

Don Genders, Founder, Design for Leisure: "We provide everything that makes you hot, wet, and cold." A long association with their vendor partners.

Cosmos, Wellness Director, Thermé Group: Essential oils and Experience Creator. Medical school. Biology Journey member. "Aufguss appeared as a necessity." Jadeite Stone.

Viki, Founder, Earth Sauna, Victoria, BC, Canada: "We need this kind of training in North America, right now."

Megan, Founder, Du Nord Sauna, Duluth MN. Regarding Lake Superior: "The lake is the boss." With snow: "You don't have to read the snow."