Meet Fatima Nathan, she is a spiritual person and a neuroscientist, she covers neuroscience from a materialistic and mainly non-materialistic standpoint.
She's the author of the book "I Am You... And You Are Me" (https://www.amazon.com.au/AM-YOU-ARE-ME-ebook/dp/B09B7DL859), the designer and creator of a tarot deck Shades of Gold (currently successfully funded on Kickstarter - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fmna1808/shades-of-gold-modern-tarot-deck-in-the-new-world/), and seeks to "Spread Light to The World".
You may check out more about her work on www.fmna1808.com
Intro Guy 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general you're so limited thought process Rest assured, you are not alone, the world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalized. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't even have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode.
Brandon Handley 0:42
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. And thanks for tuning in. Today we have special guest for you today Fatima Nathan and she is a neuroscientist entrepreneur, professional life coach, counselor illustrator content creator and author who strives to uplift the consciousness of humanity as she believes that everyone deserves a chance to be a kick ass version of themselves. Through awakening, she uses vibrational energy to practice Tai Chi yoga is extremely outdoorsy, where she spends time meditating, as well. Seema, thanks for being on today.
Fatima 1:20
Thank you for hosting me, Brandon. Yeah,
Brandon Handley 1:23
for sure. So I usually like to start these whole things off with the idea that you and I were, you know, we're basically just vessels for energy, right? Cosmic energy, creative energy, whatever you want to call it, right? We're connected to source and source is flowing through us to one of our listeners today. Right? And this message can only be delivered through you through this medium to that listener, what is that message that's coming through you today, Fatima?
Fatima 1:52
I guess the message that comes today is that we are all constantly always part of an energy of the universe. It's always existent. And we are part of it. And in order to be part of it, we need to let go let loose and just realize that it's much more than what it seems. It's just about being present in the moment. And living in it, and you realize this much more.
Brandon Handley 2:26
Yeah, I love it. Right? The whole idea that there's much more and I guess a lot of that's predicated on on being present and trying to become become aware of, like, what is it? Because I know, I always tell the story of like, when I was growing up my mom, she was always like, well, you know, you've got to be aware. There's awareness. I'm like, I'm totally aware. Like everything outside. Right, right. Yeah. Because yeah, because I'd like to see me bumping into what I'm not popping in any walls. I see everything. Right. But But I think that, of course now, you know, 30 years goes by and you're like, I think that the awareness that she was trying to talk about, was this internal awareness and this awareness and connection to Source? Is that what you're talking about?
Fatima 3:14
So I wouldn't exactly say that everybody is able, okay, let's look at it in a scope that everybody's working their daily lives, you can't expect everybody to say you have to be connected to source. But you got to be present in a moment in time. We're so busy in our daily lives, that we wake up and we do our daily things. And we don't realize that it actually requires energy, to stay awake to get up to walk. But if we were to take a moment in time just to stand in a place at a time and close our eyes, and just feel, we will realize that it's much more than all of it. And it comes down to the fact that when you are present, you actually feel a lot more. And that's what keeps you going that keeps you alive, I guess. So at that point, it becomes How far are you willing to step out of what you are running in your daily lives? I guess it comes down to everybody always looking at the device. So it's looking at their phones walking around like is if they don't look around, right? If you just take a moment at a time and look, listen, and feel it's much more than what we actually experience.
Brandon Handley 4:39
Okay, no, I look, I agree, right? There's a lot more going on than then than we even get into. And I think that especially in your field, right in neuroscience, and your studies, you also realize that like we're typically only able to tune into Be like such a small percentage of what's even available? Right? Like, I mean, I don't know what the numbers are, but I know that we see like, you know, probably less than 1% of all visual spectrum, we probably hear less than, you know, same same type of thing. Super curious about, like, you know, coming from your space. What was it like for you to tune into your own spiritual awareness? You know, this deeper level of consciousness? And how does that juxtapose with with the science?
Fatima 5:35
Yeah, so on average, on average, so as to speak, the human brain only use a percentage of three. So that includes all your functions just by itself. So if you look at it, much of the brain is not actually being put into use. And I do believe that part of it is actually consciousness, to be able to use that. And to create much more, it's another thing. So how did I do it was, it took a long time, I had to actually move out, move into my own space, like, eliminate myself from the noise in the world. And just sit down. And I guess, at that point, when you're speaking about vibration, when you're speaking about energy, when you're speaking about anything of that matter, you just got to sit. And you got to eliminate yourself from the noise. Yeah, it's not easy. And you can even do it when there's people present. And this every day, you just got to sit, and you got to just be in sense of self. So to tell you, if you tell that to a normal person, they'll say, Oh, it's a bit difficult. How do you do that? I mean, you go through everyday life and everything. But I guess when you to achieve a highest state of consciousness, it requires your mind to actually shut off from the normal. And you can,
Brandon Handley 7:18
yeah, when you say that, are you talking about shutting off like the prefrontal cortex? Like shut mouth?
Fatima 7:23
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So when we say that we're trying to say, shut off your thoughts? Shut off, what's going to happen next? What do I need to do next? What's coming next, what's going next, just shut it off for a while for a second. Just do that. And when you shut off that part of your mind, you realize it's very difficult. Yeah, it's very, very difficult. But if you just focused on your breathing, that's a way that you actually can't shut it down. Because you're actually counting how much you breathe in and how much you breathe out. And that, by itself, makes it thoughtless. And when you do that, you don't need to think about anything, because that by itself is energy. So yeah, it initially started that way for me. And then eventually, I went further into meditation. And I developed a lot of techniques when it came to Tai Chi and yoga and stuff, and it wasn't about a workout, or what I was going to gain from it. It was just about movement, and energy and how you work with it. So you got to start from really basic. Just imagine if you were born and you couldn't breathe. When a child is born. The child cries first is not because of anything is because the child is trying to gasp for air for the first time. And eventually, as the child learns to breathe, it gains a highest state of consciousness. So it works the same way. It's it's about becoming a life again by starting from scratch.
Brandon Handley 9:21
So I love that idea and that concept. You know, and what's really cool for me right now, what you're saying is that, you know, I teach breathwork I host and facilitate breath work right and right, that's been definitely definitely my my perception for myself has been when we do this breath work when we do the counting. We we are we have to be 100% present because we are focused on the counting we're focused on the type of breathing fan and and that eliminates any other thoughts from happening right and correct me if I'm wrong, right. But I guess the idea too is you know that our you know, our prefrontal cortex or our thinking mind can only really hold about four things in mind at one time, right, like, give or take. And so, you know, once once we're counting, we're breathing, we've got like, all this other stuff going on, we've got about four things happening, right? You know, we're trying to, like, breathe from my belly and expand over here and, and be totally present to this movement. And what you're saying, as well, I'm hearing you say is to like, this kind of unlocks and allows that energy to, to be there? Is that what you're saying?
Fatima 10:34
Yeah, I'm trying to say that, but I'm, but I'm also trying to relay a message to everyone that they don't realize that they're constantly breathing. If someone were to take a moment, to actually focus on how they breathe, that bites were they comes from the stomach, whether it comes from the diaphragm, wherever it comes from the lungs, it doesn't matter. It's it just goes down to just focusing on that, because it's very simple. Even if someone is anxious, regardless of whether they understand what we're trying to relay or not. Everyone always says just stop, take a second breathe. And it works.
Brandon Handley 11:22
No, no, I believe, right? Exactly. In any instance, if you're kind of caught up in everything, every moment, and all the things and you just pay attention to your breath at all, no matter where it's coming from doesn't matter what's happening, but you're like, breath. Right? So that's where you're at with that. So, you know, how does it you know, how do you how do you go from, you know, being this kind of pure science person? Right. And to spirituality? I mean, are they are they separate? Are there are they together is, you know, have we have we done a disservice by keeping them separate for so long. What are your thoughts?
Fatima 12:07
So, I guess, if you want to see people are now trying to build a scope between spirituality and science, especially neuroscience, because they're trying to link most of it with the mind. But I guess it comes from the concept of, I would say that the mind is always existed, you need to leave it. But in order to step into spirituality, you have to come from a space from the heart. So you need to leave the mind, come to the heart, in order to come back to your mind and create that connection again. So it's not about the brain is speaking about the mind. So when you speak about the brain, we're talking about all your thoughts, your reactions, your everyday when we speak about the mind, we're actually speaking about using it in the right way. What are you going to do? Use it to think create an outcome. That's the separate part of the mind, he gets to tell you whether it's positive or negative, whether you take the left or whether you take the right. But there's no wrong or right in this. When it comes to science and spirituality. Everyone's going to keep fighting for the rest of time. I mean, it's like any other field for that matter. But how did I come out of this, I guess I had my own life experiences. I spent a lot of time chasing the field studying a lot, thinking that was what I wanted in life. And I had my own life experiences that made me realize that this much more, and I went seeking and searching but when I did that, I asked for my soul. I actually stepped away from the mind. And I took my own time. I sat down by myself and I really asked from my soul. So it took it took about two years. It took about two years to in order to dissociate from something and really connect with a deeper sense of self. It required a highest state of consciousness and you got to know there are things that will fall off. People that will fall off situations that will fall off. But you got to be ready for all of it because all it welcomes is the new and at that point, you know that when you separate the science part of it that people talk about brain and you know, they can't explain most of it. And when you come to spirituality, this is something that is unexplainable. Try as you may, everyone can speak as they can. But everyone gets to experience it. So yeah, that's, that's how I see it.
Brandon Handley 15:23
Sure, sure. So I guess what I'm hearing you say is really no current, like strong linear lines to, you know, science and spirituality, right, that that's been kind of just
Fatima 15:37
now. And now, you know,
Brandon Handley 15:40
even I think even in saying higher state of consciousness, is that a scientific line that we can use? Or is that just kind of like, internal feeling a sense of self that we get to? Or can't? Is this something that we can put on a scale and be like, oh, yeah, it looks like you're, you're just below like level 33. And, you know, a couple more weeks, and you should have it.
Fatima 16:06
Now, so I always say this. Consciousness is good enough. Just being conscious. You know, you don't have to have a level, there's no level, even spiritual people never reach 100. Anyway, they don't have all the answers, that they're never going to reach 100%. There's no limit. That's, that's the thing about spirituality. But when it comes to science, I guess what they try to do is they try to put a number to it. They try to say consciousness, highest state of consciousness. So an example would be if someone were they in the operation theater, and what happens is, they don't wake up from a coma. And, but they can hear, they can still hear people talking to them. And if you hear when they come out, they always say, Yeah, I heard you. But I couldn't respond in any way. But there's no answer to that, that can be given. If you ask science, they'll say, Oh, that was the highest state of consciousness. But there was there's nothing that they can put a number on saying, Yep, this is solid foundation. So just like they can't, neither can we. So the number is the number.
Brandon Handley 17:33
Got it? So we're kind of at a point of we all agree that it's there. But we don't agree on what it is. And since we can't, since we can't quantify it, right? It makes her a Tucson makes it hard to science, I'm sure that's improper grammar. But interesting, interesting. One of the things that, you know, I saw on your site, too, was kind of like this, this linking with the heart and the mind. And that's a big part of of my own journey. I think that I don't know what the Buddhist line is for that, or the Chinese word, or I think in other languages. When they talk about the heart, they actually mean the heart and the mind connected at the same time. You get into like Western cultures, such as you know, America, and I guess, you know, England, where the two words are separate, right? And so, in doing so, we've, I guess, kind of treat, we've created that separation, versus some other cultures where, when you say heart, you mean, the heart and the mind? You mean, that connection? You know, I'm curious is to understand in your field, and if you've come across this yourself, I think I watched the show, I'm asking you, like all the science questions I've gotten now. It's fine. You know, there's, I guess there was a show that I'd watched where they talked about, I guess, that they have found that there's a cluster of about is it 40,000 cells are like the heart actually has like a little bit of a brain. And oftentimes, signals will go from the heart and the heart will react before the mind actually processes what's what's happening.
Fatima 19:17
Right. So, you know, they say that when people's heart fails, sometimes they put a pacemaker. So the heart generally has a pacemaker by itself, it's called the sinus note, right? And this is genuinely like the hot spring, it knows when to pump, how to pump and how many pumps in a lifetime it's gonna make it comes made as such. But what we do along the way, can either extend it or it can either decrease its life. So generally, the heart is the only organ in the body not connected to the Brain in the sense that it runs the entire thing. In order for the brain to function, the brain needs the heart before the heart meets the brain, because that's where you get the oxygen from in order for your brain to work. Right. So it's one of the organs, that it's actually the only organ. So one of the organs is actually the only organ that works that way. So when it comes down to what you were trying to ask, yes, it, it does have a brain of its own. That's why it's segregated for the rest of the organs. Yeah.
Brandon Handley 20:43
Well, how interesting is that? And so I guess the other piece too, right, is that, again, this is a, you know, some show I watched either YouTube or guy or something else like that. Like, you know, again, the brain or the heart. I guess transmitting like a fear signal or a happy signal or an event is like, coming like, I guess, what are they saying like that? The heart processes up to like, 66 seconds sooner than the brain.
Fatima 21:18
Right? Right. So what's, I guess? Yeah, right, right. So this is where I say, when you come from tapping into our highest state of consciousness of consciousness by itself, you're coming from my heart. What I mean by that is that you're opening up to what we all have, it's called intuition is something that we all know, that's going to happen before it happens. But truth be told, even people who are in the normal world who are let's say, they, they, they're, when I mean, the normal, what I'm trying to say is that they're not so in tune to stepping away, they're living their daily lives, and they have a sense that something's not right, something's gonna happen, or something great is gonna happen. But they say it's in their gut. Because the rhythm they feel is closer to the diaphragm, but it's all in tune with the heart. So what exactly that is, is that, that sense that a feels, it's called intuition. So the signals are from there. So if just imagine if you were to step back and open up entirely to consciousness, and then reach that part. So can you imagine how much more you can feel?
Brandon Handley 22:57
Yeah, 100%, right. Yeah. Terrible opening up to that to that much. Because, honestly, like, sometimes when you open up, you're like, Whoa, that's a lot. Right? Yeah. A lot. It's a lot of energy. It's a lot of I don't know, but I have the brakes on that. Because, well, what do we do with that much, right? So when we're when we're opening up and to consciousness, are we saying like, is this opening up to a feeling it's opening up to an energy is consciousness the mind? Or vice versa? What are your thoughts there?
Fatima 23:32
So, like, I always say, consciousness requires the mind and the heart to work together. If the heart is to open, you take in too much. If the mind is too open, you don't take in anything at all. If both are connected, you reach a state of balance. And that state of balance is called the yin and the yang. And that's what's very necessary, that needs to be dark with light. If not, neither can exist, but in equilibrium, they exist, literally in Zen.
Brandon Handley 24:20
So, so we're seeking what we're looking for is some type of balance. And in your experience, how have how people been able to make this connection and establish a balance.
Fatima 24:38
Okay, so so far, whoever I, I deal with to help in these kinds of situations, everybody goes through everything. What I tried to say is that you got to start with self. You got to start with dealing with what's in your mind first, you got to start with your worthy. You know, you got to forgive yourself, you got to learn love, you got to figure out things and life situations which you're encountering step by step. In order to overcome that opening the heart is always later, dealing with the mind comes first. You got to deal with what you're facing, whether it's past present, and how you can overcome that. And then when you step, and leave that completely, then you move into the heart. So it's a step by step, you got to start only with self first, it has no time. There is no time to it. But your life situations aren't a place for you to feel like, Oh, what have I done? Or oh, whatever I lost, it's about how can I use it? To face the present?
Brandon Handley 26:12
Yeah, I mean, and I think that as, as I continue to do these studies, that's what I found, right? Through through every resource either. Either, like the business field, right? Or, you know, through the spiritual seeking, right? Or psychology, this is a similar, you know, real similar story that says, hey, stop looking at everything, like it's a shit show and start saying what it is that is teaching you, right? Like, what is what what are you? What are you learning here? And how can you use this for your own evolution or for some way to move yourself forward? Right. So So I think that the plan that you're laying out works really well for the person that is already like, kind of like, open minded, or, you know, just kind of like, in their head. What about the person that's already like, over, you know, what do we call them? We call them like these, these empaths? Right, these people that are super sensitive from their heart already. So how do we help them to course correct and get up into their head a little bit? Yeah,
Fatima 27:29
so most of them are like that. So you see a lot of people who are also like that, and you also see a lot of people block. So when it comes to people who are more like, open empaths, right, and it starts with patients, you got to work with them, and you got to tell them, rather than starting from the mind, you got to treat with them from the heart. Because in the space that's so much open. That's where sensitivity comes from, right, how they react and how they are affected and their emotions. So you got to work from their heart. And at that point, when you realize, if someone is very sensitive, when it comes to those terms, it means a lot of emotions, which means although it comes from the heart, the main blockage is in the heart. So that itself is a key, not having opened it, that they have caged it because of some experiences. So you got to be really gentle with them. And how you tune with them and how you work with them is a bit different. So for them, I guess what they need to see is how to open bit by bit. They lack the trust in that sentence. So one person is through the mind. But the other person is through the heart.
Brandon Handley 29:09
I think it's awesome. Right? Right. Because again, you know, the main blockage is still in the heart. Right? Right. Right was what I'm hearing you say and I love to dig into it like so, you're saying you're saying like because of the lack of trust or something that's happened to them? It's actually still a Cait like their emotions are still kind of caged in right they're still crying. And I guess their reactions are just kind of like See, I've just got I guess I would say that I feel like they're more open right and overly sensitive, but is it because it's so compressed and tight in there?
Fatima 29:53
And K yeah. So yeah, people overly sensitive it's because it's so caged. because of what they've experienced, that any small reaction that people create that they've been hurt so much, or that they have experienced life situations that even the slightest thing would trigger them. And that's when you know that yeah, that's the starting point for them by itself. And majority of the people that you come across, almost everybody has their heart caged.
Brandon Handley 30:30
No, that's interesting. Right? So let's talk about how we open that bit by bit. What do you have for us?
Fatima 30:36
Yeah. So I guess when it comes to the heart, like I always say, it's one of the most precious things, even in our body, for that matter, we speak scientifically. But But seriously speaking, I guess from a Tyrian point, I always say this, start from self, start from their mind, treat yourself first face what you need to face and do what you need to do, you don't need to start from the heart first. Just solve whatever you need to sort of do your situation, bit by bit. And then when it comes to the heart, that's gonna be the toughest, and you're gonna be the first one to run. And it's gonna take a while. But it all starts from if you take one step at a day, just one step a day to make a decision. Like maybe you say, today, when it comes to the heart, you'll say, maybe you never trust people for anything, for that matter. And you meet a stranger and someone says, something simple. Okay? It's not a big deal. And you said, Okay, maybe why not? Or, I always tell people is why don't you start this way? For once, tap out of your mind, once once you solve the mind, but tap out of your mind, and say, Let me listen to what my intuition is helping me. And I save it seems so hard, always think of it this way. A child starts to crawl. And then the child learns to store but no one is told the child get up and walk. It's an instinct, right? And when the child falls, the child stands up by himself or herself, and continues walking. So who are we to say we can try another step?
Brandon Handley 32:48
No, no, I love it. I was actually thinking about it yesterday. And real similar terms, right? Just all that we're trying to do or accomplish. And I think one of the challenges is that we live in this always on instantaneous society. Right? Like, I can order I can order anything I want. And I can have it here today. Yeah, I want I want to watch any movie in the world. I can watch it right.
Fatima 33:18
Right now. Yeah, right now.
Brandon Handley 33:21
Right. So I think that we've become more and more conditioned to like this instant gratification. And, like super inexpensive, super easy to us. And that when when we're faced with something that smells a little bit like it could be work without like immediate gratification. Right? We're kind of put off. Right? So how do we, you know, share and show the benefits of, I don't know, transcending this need for immediate gratification for something that nobody can describe. But it's been we've been told it's so amazing.
Fatima 34:04
Right? So, so I guess when it comes to that one thing we got to remember, it's very simple. I always tell people this, it seems like something that's really far fetched. It seems like what most spiritual people experience is like, Oh, look, I need to spend hours meditating. I need to step out of my fears. I need to do that. Yeah, everybody needs to do that. But I always say look at it this way. When you chose a job, or country to move to or any situation, did you not step out from that fear? Did you not take a chance? Did you not make the extra effort? Every company says you have About three months, one month, three months of a probation period, it's not guaranteed yet you leave your job and you do it. Yet you make that chance, you get married, you have children, you don't know the end of the outcome. So if you live in that world, and you think you can do it, what's so difficult from doing what doesn't require effort, it's effortless, truly, to just step out from all these things that we keep putting too much energy into, and just be instead in an energy that literally vibrates with us.
Brandon Handley 35:46
Yeah, I actually had one of one of my breathwork students reach out this past week talking about feeling her whole body vibrating, right, just getting connected to source. I mean, so there's like, you know, there's this higher vibration that you get tapped into this out there. And like, when you when you when you tap into it, it's mind blowing. And, you know, she she said, like, quite literally she goes, now I see why people become monks or nuns or like, you know, devote their lives to this because it's like, why wouldn't you right? In the middle of reading a book that is somewhere not next to me, that just talks about that once you learn some of these tools, just like you're doing right now, once you've learned tools, once you've connected once you've figured out kind of how it's working. You're, you're compelled to go share it. Right? Like, wow, let's, let's talk about this, this thing that nobody's talking about, let's go talk about this. And what's interesting is is to me is, is that people have been talking about it all the time. When we haven't, right, we just haven't been at that level of awareness. There's been like, oh, well, normally be like, well, that's, that's for that's for those people over there. Right? That's, that's great for them. That's great for them. I'm on my way to get a latte. I got other shit to do today. Right. And this other thing that you talked about that too, is that I think a lot of people feel like you've got to sit in like lotus position for two hours a day, like you're talking about. But it can be done in I don't know,
Fatima 37:32
just walking.
Brandon Handley 37:35
Yeah. So So that's so cool. I mean, it's really interesting, too. And it's great that, I think to see somebody like yourself, who you know, you're, you're a brick and you're a real neuroscientists, right. Like, it's not like this is detached. And, you know, it's not like, I think what we've been used to, again, is people who have plugged into like, the spiritual life, they, they're a monk, they're a hippie, they're thrive, right? Yeah, like off the grid. They're like your life. And so I think it's really important and, and I'd be curious to see for you, are you seeing more spirituality in everybody's life? Have you noticed? For me, I feel like a big part of this surge, I'd say in spirituality, again, it's always been around us, but comes from COVID, right? A world worldwide pandemic, you know, a real people to connect, right? We're like, hey, wait a second, I need to tap into this sense of self and really kind of embrace it and understand more about it.
Fatima 38:44
Right? So when it comes to that concept, I guess it's called a period of isolation. That's when it is. So when there's an isolation excluded from the world, right? So what are you gonna do? You got nothing to do face yourself, you have no choice. Figure out your life for this happened. Because everyone went through a situation that was unimaginable, right? He can't go out. You can't do anything. So face yourself. So I guess as the years are passing, what is trying to happen here is that doesn't even the university works through tapping through a higher state of consciousness for more people. And if you realize more and more people are coming into it, and they're at least making the effort to figure it out. And we as individuals just like you, you, you run a podcast, and you know, you're spiritually yourself, and you do a lot of work. And it's the same way so most people are just normal. We are not sitting and we're not you know, saying mantra doesn't praying beads or anything like that. We're just normal individuals running our daily lives. And we meet people along the way. And we build a connection with them. And we try to do our best to relay the message and help with the universe to build a great state of consciousness just for the collective.
Brandon Handley 40:25
Yeah, I mean, it really goes to the beginning of the podcast, right? Like you are working, working through us. Right? Yeah. Working through us. And it's kind of like, how are how are we are going to express that right? How are we going to express our spirituality and whatever is inside of us, essentially has to be expressed? Right? Right, in the same in the same way that I guess, you know, an oak tree expresses an oak tree, a dot expresses a daffodil that for those whatever's inside of us, and neither one is like, there's no specific way to do it. But it's going to happen, right? Yeah.
Fatima 41:05
Each one has to be different. If not, you can't touch so many lives around the world. Every spiritual person comes up with their own way, their own method, and, you know, it has to work differently. If everybody were the same. Nobody's gonna listen, that should be taught. That will be the fact.
Brandon Handley 41:25
Yeah, yeah. Well, so you're also offering, like, some services through your website, where, you know, what type of people are you working with? Like, who should reach out to you to connect?
Fatima 41:37
Yeah, so I always say this, there's no particular type of person, as long as you're open. And most importantly, you want that change, and you want to start somewhere, just saying that you want something different. And to start, you can connect at my website.
Brandon Handley 42:00
And, ya know, exactly the, the idea and the desire, right to make that transition. Right. And I think that that's really where that's really where it happens. I think you would you would, you would said, hey, you know, hopefully, my soul, where's my soul? I want to cry. Right, right. And for me, I still vividly recall it was about four or five years ago now, you know, writing that question, you know, to the universe, right, like writing that question? Handwritten, be like, alright, you know, show me and like, within weeks, like, it was like, full on, like, I was like, Alright, stop.
Fatima 42:45
Yeah, you do you do reach that point. But like, I always tell people, it's got to start from there. And more importantly, you got to be open to it. Yeah. It's, I can't give you the, all the answers. If you're not going to make the effort. You can't do anything, if you don't take an action.
Brandon Handley 43:09
Right now. 100%. One of the things that I wanted to hit on to, till just now, you know, we always talk, we talk about the self, right? Searching for the self, just associating the self from this other thing and all these other, you know, when you talk about the self, you know, and trying to find out who the self is, Who am I like, you know, I know that growing up there. Well, clearly, I'm right here. So I know exactly who I am, right? And musicians later in life to mean something entirely different. So when you're talking about the self, what do you mean?
Fatima 43:46
So when I speak about the self, I always speak about, who are you now? I always say that, who are you now? Because even if I asked you that question, Brandon, and I sit for a year now, you will give me an answer. But no one has the answer to who you can be in the future. What you can build further from where you are. And I always say this, if you want to know self, just ask yourself, Who are you now? And then from there go? Who do I want to become? That itself builds an entire different universe?
Brandon Handley 44:35
Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, you open yourself up to the possibilities, right? Because it's, you know, if you run around and be like, I am this I am this, I am this and then you keep reinforcing that same story over and over and over. But then when you say, then you say, hey,
Fatima 44:51
yeah, so So when you say who am I? You gotta say, Why am I actually here? What is my purpose? What is my purpose? You are not going to get an answer. But you will realize the possibilities that open up just by asking that question from the depths of your heart.
Brandon Handley 45:19
Now, it's fantasy. Fantastic. That's fantastic. Thank you for that. So we're at this little point where I like to ask a couple of different questions on this podcast is kind of like, spiritual speed dating, right for team that's tuned into this podcast, and like, you know, I'm looking for my next spiritual date. You know, so in essence of that, you know, spiritual batchelorette Number one, what are we also afraid of?
Fatima 45:51
How self everyone is afraid to face themselves. That's the biggest fear, but they would have how much they would give, and what they would get in return. They think it's from the other person more, but it's actually themselves that they feel the most.
Brandon Handley 46:16
Not I don't want to say, look, I mean, myself included, right? There's, there's always things that I fear about myself, you know, either success or failure or anything, right,
Fatima 46:26
right. Because we constantly thinking, right?
Brandon Handley 46:31
But that goes back to that goes very goes back to what you're talking about, like, starting with the mind first, like how do we determine, you know, how do you say, hey, you know, you're worthy, forgive, learn how to love and then get to your your heart later, right. But those are the things that like, We fear ourselves, because we've created for some reason, somehow, we turned ourselves into a monster. That and, and it's like, alright, well, am I actually the Boogeyman? And sometimes we feel that we are and instead of, instead of, kind of doing the work and facing ourselves, because we're, what we think we've created, right can get in there. And the best term that I've seen for is called, like, can't do that shadow work, right? Like who? Who, who have you hidden away that inside of yourself that could use some love? Right? And allow for that?
Fatima 47:27
Yeah. So I always tell people just just do this. What he creates situations in your head when it is non existent. It's pointless. Why do you think of something when it doesn't even exist? Then you literally manifested into your life
Brandon Handley 47:46
becomes easier to see because you've primed your mind for it. Right? You said? Yeah. You're like, you're like, here's the directions for a shitty day. I'd like to have. Right, yeah.
Fatima 47:56
And then you, you know, people manifest things, and they get good stuff. The other people who manifest things in the reverse way as well.
Brandon Handley 48:06
Right now 100%, right. Yeah. Because that's what we've we set our mind filters to right we say yeah, just like just like we're Google and any database we set out what are the filters? What are the filters and what am I searching for? Right? So all right. Well, I got one more for you. Let's check it out. Do to do to do look for a fun one. What is your one wish for the world Fatima
Fatima 48:37
case peace and love. That's literally it's like Bob Marley.
Gave you could live a life with a man who spoke so much truth and who has so much wisdom and captions. It's living him in a real world. Literally, just being connected with everyone. So peace and love looks like this. You don't need to go out day you don't need to go and change the world. You're gone. You don't need to change war. You don't need to give you x stop with a stranger on the street. Smile. Say hello. Acknowledge live a Bob Marley life.
Brandon Handley 49:32
I mean, such as be decent and kind.
Fatima 49:34
to others. Yeah, exactly.
Brandon Handley 49:37
Sure. Sure. know for sure. So you know, Tim, Nathan, thank you so much for being on today. Thank you. That's a website. It's www dot F as in Frank for Fatima in this manner. And a 18 Oh eight.com Thank you so much.
Intro Guy 50:00
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