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What's it like to ditch UX design and take on a new role at your company? How do you get it together to write a UX book? Are UX skills relevant outside of work? Meg and Jessamyn speak to Jim Kalbach, Chief Evangelist at MURAL.

More on Jim Kalbach:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kalbach/
https://www.amazon.com/Jobs-Be-Done-Playbook-Organization/dp/1933820683
https://www.jtbdtoolkit.com/