In this episode, John speaks with Jacob Dawang from the housing advocacy group Grow Together to unpack how Edmonton became one of Canada's leaders in zoning reform. They discuss when and how 8-plexes were legalized, what the municipal rules and lot requirements look like, and how Edmonton's multiplexes differ from those being built in Toronto — often resembling four townhomes with basement suites rather than stacked apartments.

Jacob also shares insights into the early results of the policy, the pushback from residents and councillors considering scaling back density on interior lots, and the lessons Toronto can learn from Edmonton's approach to enabling more missing-middle housing.