In this episode, Amir sits down with Ashley Wines from Carta to dig into what it really means for talent teams to be proactive, not reactive. They unpack the need for talent leaders to embed themselves into the business earlier, how to build trust fast, the importance of internal product roadmaps, and how to handle stakeholder dynamics—especially when you're navigating complex matrix organizations.
Whether you’re an HRBP, TA leader, or people ops pro, this episode is your blueprint for becoming a strategic talent partner.
Embed Early: Talent needs to be in the room before headcount planning begins. Understanding the business roadmap helps talent teams prepare effectively and influence strategy.
Shift Left: Embedding talent professionals into product and engineering discussions helps anticipate skill needs and align with future business goals.
Proactive ≠ Passive: Even when reacting to business needs, recruiting teams can earn trust by bringing data, insights, and solutions to the table.
Strategic Partnerships: Talent teams aren’t order-takers—they’re strategic business partners. Titles are shifting from “recruiting” to “talent” to reflect this.
Change Management is Critical: Successful tool and process rollouts require documentation, automation, and clear, repeated communication.
Data-Backed Conflict Resolution: Use data to guide tough conversations and reframe unrealistic expectations about hard-to-fill roles.
Co-ownership Builds Trust: Inviting hiring managers into the recruiting process—like sourcing or outreach—creates shared responsibility and deepens alignment.
00:00 – Intro to Ashley and episode overview: talent’s influence, proactive vs reactive recruiting, stakeholder juggling.
01:08 – Ideal talent involvement starts at headcount and org design planning.
02:54 – Talent should be part of long-term product or geo-expansion strategy conversations.
04:57 – Who owns the internal talent product roadmap? Why it shouldn’t sit on just one leader’s plate.
06:59 – Embedding with business teams: “Be a fly on the wall early” to shift planning left.
08:09 – Positioning recruiting as strategic, not transactional. Changing from “recruiting” to “talent.”
10:30 – How to build trust fast even in reactive hiring environments.
12:57 – Stakeholder alignment and tool adoption: tailor the pitch to what each team values (data, cost, efficiency).
14:34 – Change management tips: documentation, in-tool workflows, and repetition.
17:02 – Handling friction with hiring managers: bring data, set trial periods, align on timelines.
19:59 – Engaging hiring teams in sourcing or outreach to create shared accountability.
21:45 – Final thoughts and where to connect with Ashley.
“High-quality talent teams aren’t just recruiters—we’re strategic partners helping organizations build smarter, faster, and more effectively.”
