In the final episode of the Sales Today mini-series, Fred Copestake and James Michael step back to answer a deceptively simple question:
Has selling really changed?
The answer is both yes - and no.
This closing conversation brings together the themes explored across the series and reframes selling not as persuasion or pressure, but as something far more human, thoughtful, and aligned with how buyers actually make decisions today.
In this episode, they explore:
A simple definition of selling
When asked to define selling in one sentence, Fred's answer is refreshingly clear:
Selling is helping people buy.
Sales isn't about control or coercion.
It's about supporting people as they move through decisions — with or without you.
A powerful reframing
James shares a definition that brings the entire series together:
Selling is a series of considered conversations of mutual curiosity,
which ideally results in a fair exchange of value.
This reframing removes pressure, manipulation, and performance - and replaces them with clarity, intent, and balance.
Key insight
Selling hasn't fundamentally changed - but our ability to do it well has.
Today's best salespeople:
When sales is done properly, it doesn't feel like selling at all.
About the guests
Fred Copestake
Founder of Brindis and author of Selling Through Partnering Skills, Hybrid Selling, and Ethical Selling. Fred has spent over 25 years working with sales teams across 38 countries, helping them move from personality-led selling to structured, collaborative approaches.
James Michael
Founder of Justified Talent, James uses behavioural psychology and psychometric assessment to identify what truly predicts success in modern B2B sales. His work challenges outdated assumptions about personality, performance, and selling capability.
Connect with James
· LinkedIn: James Michael (Australia) https://www.linkedin.com/in/smesalesrecruiter/
· Website: www.justifiedtalent.com
The end of the Sales Today mini-series
This episode concludes the five-part Sales Today mini-series, exploring how selling must evolve - not by abandoning its foundations, but by returning to them with greater clarity, ethics, and intent.
If you're new to the series, Episodes 1–4 are available now.
Follow Fred: https://linktr.ee/fredcopestake
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/VrRNMcmR5aM
Watch Fred's FREE YouTube Course: Sales Mastery for Engineers: https://bit.ly/Sales-Mastery-For-Engineers
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