Ep 225 Voice and Accent Expert Patrick Munoz August 12, 2016
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Below is a time-coded transcript of the interview:
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is it really possible to change your accent to change your tone of voice
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speaking the show about effective speaking in public to the media
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speaking with TJ Walker
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the first thing I do it every media training or presentation training is
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record people speaking and add them listen to it and make notations of what
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do they like what do they not like it's frankly rare that people don't dislike
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their voice they don't like their tone of voice
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they don't like how it sounds nasal quality you name it
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people don't like their voices now I've always caution them up
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time out your voice isn't that bad let's focus on actually saying something
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that's relatively an easy problem to solve
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vocal problems accent issues can be hard and difficult but they can be worked on
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they can be improved my guest today is an expert i'm not an expert on changing
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people's accent changing their vocal qualities my expert
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my guest today is an expert on that let's dive right into the interview in
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just a moment but remember as always we take all of your questions here at
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speaking with TJ Walker any questions to do with public speaking speaking to the
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media crisis communications i used to do is send them to me
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TJ at media training worldwide com or on twitter at TJ Walker now let's hop into
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my conversation with Patrick Munoz expert out in Hollywood he's trained
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some of the top stars and he has a new book out I wanted to bring to your
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it's called accent American the complete guide to speaking the standard American
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accent Patrick thanks for joining us SI je veux having me i'm excited to Peter
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I've had clients over the air say TJ I want to change my accent I'm really
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my standard advice has been
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focus on having an interesting speech first and as long as people can
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that's the bigger issue but there are some people who let's face it or just
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hard to understand they need to get better
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how do you start with them for those people who are it is very difficult to
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yes first off I just want to kind of piggyback on what you said which is
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completely true as far as accents go
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I think the richness of accents the richness of different sounds of the way
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people carry wear it with their experiences whether from hugely helps
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the interestingness of people put the easy way to say that is having an accent
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however there are people who are so kind of encumbered by the accent that they
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have to just attack those sounds are giving them the biggest trouble
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so what I'd like to do is just we always do a diagnostic in the first lesson I go
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through talk to them even if you please to read the the course contract and then
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what I do is make all those marks about the sounds they have to work on and will
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we have time we really kind of go through all the sound so they can see
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what their accent is and then what is the standard American accent is and
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start to incorporate that
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however we were they want to have to do a triage thing right so it's it if if it
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is there is really this difficulty in being understood
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we just go right to those sounds practice them I show them how to make
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the sound for instance of an L sound at the end of a word or we're saying the
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word fall or well and they're there they're not making a full actually
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well and they're not touching their tongue I show them what to do i get the
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mirror out and say look yourself in the in the mirror and look at mine now
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repeat those sounds over and over again and then we'll put them right in the
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tongue twisters will take phrases that they need to work on
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look at the book will do those exercises
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and that's the easiest way to get them to feel comfortable and confident in
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knowing how to make the sound because really some people as they you know
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maybe english as a second language of the different parts of the country they
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have done a really good job of doing the sound reproduction on their own kind of
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hearing it and they're connected like this and like guessing you're doing a
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great naturally but we'd like to do is get it was really specific and they go
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oh I see this is what you do this is how I do it
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repetition repetition practice 5-10 minutes a day and they're starting to
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how much is the ability to have a neutral accent or any sort of accent you
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want a function of having a so-called good ear the way you think of a great
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musician and how much of it is simply the discipline of working placing your
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tongue in the right place recording yourself is something anyone can do they
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are motivated the ear of ability that god-given ability that you're here can
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hear things that you're able to imitate things
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- ooh child I just huge and it can be like that case for those of us who is
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here or is is good but we are not quite sure
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it takes some time anybody if they work at it and they have an open mind and
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they spend five to ten minutes a day were really addressing it on their own
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because we can work for you are a 50-minute session but they were going to
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anybody can get better now or more standardized accents
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then again we have the range of people who coming from other countries that are
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are the actions are so strong
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anybody can get better but it really the gift is if you have an ear for however
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just kind of rigorously going at it looking at it kind of like a
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mathematical equation or like going to the gym and doing that same repetition
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of a pull-up or push up and all of us if you have the muscles
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it's the same thing for the musculature of your mouth so anybody can do it in
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terms of the end result anybody's going to get better
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some people are able to like concrete fully some people have a huge jump in
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the intelligibility of the accent and for them even the rewards that they get
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in terms of their own local power there sounds are going to pay back off and
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work and their personal relationships and their overall confidence in life so
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definitely that the ear is is key and people who can work on it get better
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in a moment I want to dive a little deeper and going to some of the
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nitty-gritty of your book accent American the complete guide to speaking
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the standard American accent but I have to help him with something else sooner
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when friends and family of mine found out i was interviewing you and some of
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your top Hollywood clientele they said you've got to ask him why is it a so
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called movie star like Matthew McConaughey always sounds like Matthew
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McConaughey Arnold Schwarzenegger always sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger aren't
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there enough actors in Hollywood who can do any accent that producers don't
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expletive rely on people who can't seem to
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I won't say can't act but can't do any X and other than their own
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well there you go into the years it's kind of celebrity versus the actor as a
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craftsperson so you have actors who let the Australian actors hugh jackman you
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Lori or American actors male street
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all you can do is that they can do anything they care they really actors
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their stars and and yes and Marilyn was a celebrity celebrity star actor but
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those are we have this celebrities imagine McConaughey
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he pretty much keeps to his Texas accent is that a function of just laziness he
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doesn't want to learn or is it that what Meryl street does is so wildly difficult
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that even if he spent 10 hours a day he wouldn't get any better at got a good
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so Matthew McConaughey I don't know I don't know I've never worked with him
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it works for surely doesn't suit him and he certainly does do things for the
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roller he is an actor in heat is the way that he
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this is for the Dallas 40 Dallas Dallas club dallas buyers club that is amazing
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he's an amazing actor he does tend to kind of keep the range speech wise and
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arnold schwarzenegger and we can do anything or he cares about it
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I know I had that we cruise one of my clients and I don't think for her
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it matters in the end so much you really wanted to work on it but it's about that
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kind of what each person kind of feels as a port for themselves like what is it
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for her it was important but at a certain point I think she just wanted to
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get her voice to be stronger which actually after we work together
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one other reviews of the new york times for films was from her tone is stronger
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voice is stronger but it really is interesting TJ that actors
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some actors that's who they are that you're going to see that by the same
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that's who they are Cary Grant always had is no English accent and whatever
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role he was in and you made it happen for himself so it is a kind of thing
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like this is who I am this is I'm going to be every role and that's what I bring
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to my character and there's some actors who are like I'm gonna be a leonardo
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dicaprio and I'm gonna work with Tim demonic and i'm going to have a
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each of my roles and that's part of it so really is kind of their own sort of
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sense and other actors to play the role that would have the off the authentic
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accent um yes there are but we need people who are usually people who have
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get out there so the advice to actors who are my advice and actors I was an
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actor to actors who are in their in their formative years or even you going
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on in the in their career they have the ability to change when I think most
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actors wanted to do it because they're excited to play different characters so
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if you could only do one accent then you kind of limiting limiting yourself and
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if you can do all kinds of accent and then make it not be about the exit
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they could be about the connection you have as a character to the other person
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into this telling of the story that you're in great shape
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let's switch gears away from Hollywood let's imagine that someone is let's say
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executive whether they are from the south from the Northeast but they are
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professional person they are well educated but they're self-conscious
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about having their southern accent an outer borough in New York accent of
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Brooklyn New Jersey accent they want to soften the edges and get to the point
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where people can't really tell where they're from
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how do they use your book how do they work with someone like you to get to
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perfect so in the book and it's an American you just open it up and you
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start to do the exercises that are in the warm up so it starts off as very
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organized it simple
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even I didn't purposely is a very thin book so it's kinda like a primer or a
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primer everyone to say that but it really get you started in first of all
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developing your voice
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I have a lot of executives all authors founders of organizations companies and
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people who are really successful and they know a lot and so it's at a certain
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level DJ you know you're you you coach people in public speaking is you said
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just have this have your message be important to have the speech be
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haven't you are saying you have a passion for them so for a lot of my
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they want to work on the accident they want to work on their intelligibility
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they want to work on the power of your voice
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so what you do is you start with the book open up and start and this is how
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to use the workbook and basically it says I'm how to use the workbook go get
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some simple things by opening your mouth more than you're used to practice
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speaking in a flowing way and but the big thing you identify which sounds need
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improvement and put your focus on those
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so what you'll do first of all is go through the first section of the book
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which are warming up your voice articulation exercises tongue twisters
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so you feel confident in your speech you feel really like you have more power in
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then you go through
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you and I but those sound under for yourself
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I do consultations on that with people online and i'll give them a rundown of
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what the sounds are they need to focus on and then download the audio from the
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book which is included in the purchase of the book and start to go over those
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sounds when your headphones on or just dropping it on your on your desktop
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get your iphone or your smart phone out and record yourself repeating after you
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hear my voice and then go back and say because that's the important part
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oftentimes our ear doesn't hear the way we're talking when we hear objectively
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on the iphone on the smartphone and you can hear yourself in relation with your
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hearing for me and you can say oh this whole time I thought I was saying Phil
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but I was saying fail feel
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oh I need to say Phil Phil feel and give yourself some time again 10 minutes and
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eight is going to practice to get those sounds in your mind and say like oh it's
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that single sound it as in fill that I met that I tend to go feel if I can just
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remember as I read through this going through these single vowel cells
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it's phil is a single vowel sound there is no movement at all go from saying
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this diphthong feel to fill and that's what you do
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and then there's also some work in there four sentences apologize for
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interrupting but I have to ask you for one trainer to another large part of our
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audience trainers people in public relations fields who are working with
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executives who are self-conscious about their accent issues
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what percentage of people will actually record and listen to their own voice on
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their own if you're not there standing over there because that's the bane of my
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I can help people all day long become better speakers better media
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what I'm they are in the room I don't give them the option i recorded play it
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we do that a dozen times but when i try to encourage people to go to my own
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online programs public speaking I always say
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record yourself speaking
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uploaded here far far fewer than not one percent but . one percent of students
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ever do that so I'm just wondering if you have a better track record
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I can't say that I do i can think about myself when I took piano lessons
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so it's okay i was a kid and then to break from one with the back in my
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I started as the train again and piano and I was always the same story
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same story DJ ok so I'm seeing him wednesday is my daily day for my daily
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weekly a weekday study so we do it wednesday
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like I am motivated i'm going to practice the next day Thursday
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oh I have to go do hiking I have to go do some work here I coaching saturday
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sunday i got plans for 10 minutes
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yes follow through is super difficult and especially about getting the
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so what I do most of my clients especially clients to get the best
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results are the ones probably this is yourself
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are the ones that I see every week and as far as how many people are actually
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some people are hard workers are so motivated never
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it's interesting they are like tight days they're gonna they're going to work
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on this other people are Taipei's don't have the time or the discipline
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so in answer to your question I couldn't give you a statistic I can say that it
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makes the heck of a lot easier
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I know for myself TJ in terms of doing my business
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I am an assistant come once a week for five hours
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we focus I need somebody I admit I need somebody to coach me and that's what I'd
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like to provide for the people so in terms of them doing it on their own
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you need to get somebody whether it's me whether it's you or voice for
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particularly for this for the band's not me I definitely can access into the
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I do have clients ask about it from time to time
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here's my experience about a third of my clients they come in for a day of public
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speaking training or media training
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I always record them first ask them what they like and don't like
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i would say about a third of my clients which is fairly representative of your
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professional successful population about a third of people hate their voice think
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that their voice is dramatically substandard whereas in all the years
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I've done this more than 30 years probably 10,000 clients
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I really only remember one client who truly had an awful awful voice I always
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tell people that you may disagree i'd like to hear your opinion
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it's basically three types of voices in the world here's the top point 0 0 1
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percent with her voice is so distinctive so melodias so pleasing that they can
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roll out of bed at noon tape a voiceover commercial get a million-dollar check
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and go back to bed or go to the beach
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there's the bottom . 0001 percent of people their voice is so irritating
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awful screechie people rather jump out a window and have to listen to them and
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then there's the other 99.999% where our voices aren't so fantastic people are
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going to give us money
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it's not so awful people are going to leave the room they're just voices that
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help us communicate
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i'm interested in your own take of those those two perspectives your perspective
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of your clients how they rate their own voices and then how you rate that
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normal and awful i love it so in terms of how they write their own voices
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because i'm a voice and speech Trojan because many bytes coming to me for
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beyond just the accent work coming for local power things like that
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a lot of people come to me that a lot me think what i say i would say about
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thirty percent of my clients who come to me telling me they don't like the sound
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I say listen you actually have a really nice boys and sometimes it's because
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there's tension there's tension that they just let it relax all of a sudden
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they get this kind of comfort so in terms of the people being people who
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come to me and to be a little bit harder on their the cell phones because for
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whatever reason it's feedback that we've gotten from the world from our teachers
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our parents have one student whose brother is a is a speech pathologist and
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kind of always gave her our time I have another about her voice I'm like well
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did you ever help you know
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so we get these these these loops for ourselves and even for myself TJ I when
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I was growing up i don't know i think that my voice was nice
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my speech I can still start to go so fast that's where my natural places to
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go so fast and so by doing all these exercises over the years again like you
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30 years of doing work at a time
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I've got control about my voice so i would say many people come to me are
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more critical of their voice
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then they need to be but I would tell them to be and as a professional you and
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I you we can say to them
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your voice is great embrace it embrace it but i think what has so that's that's
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the one part the answer the same question
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I totally agree with the point n % about the people being is wonderful melodious
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voice they walk out you go wow you every once in a while you could I just think
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oh my god and they do they said oftentimes they're not actors they'll
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say you know what so much BTW i should do something about my voice of them
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well yeah you should but it is a naturally to natural attractor
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it's great so that's that as far as most people I think their voices were pretty
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well i would give a much higher percentage of
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people who use their voice to their disadvantage to the disadvantage
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now that would be amazing voices or nasal and that kind of my type voice
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that boys are kind of high pitch is coming right from the throat
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the people who are very quiet
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I was a good by Tyson and pressure haha very quiet
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can't be any and and there again all of these things like psychological
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not from me but from the other person so if you're speaking very loudly does in a
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way in the kind of obvious away kind of commands attention
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you have to really screwed into listen to somebody that's a little bit tiring
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in terms of why I just been talking to somebody this weekend when I was a
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little vacation and they spoke in that manner and I was a man I put so much
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I was tired of that I don't really want to talk to this person any more of this
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is taking too much ever
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it wasn't somebody was a good friend and i guess i would say could you speak up
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but that is that one of the cases too lightly on to that a lot of people out
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here you're in New York two different situation but in California we have a
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lot of good women young women who have that Kardashian phase
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it's called her vocal fry for me it was like an old man but they're always kind
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of goes like there when they finish the sentence to his hands off so i would
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yeah i'm going to take your kind but i think most of your clients are huge
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pj our public speakers so already there at the level that the voice is coming to
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their consciousness consciousness and they want to get better now this part of
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putting all in the frame a painting the picture for me
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I noticed just in the and the number of people i run into on the street people
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making my clients the overall listening on TV that there is a high percentage of
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people who were using their voice in a way that does not sound good
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that is off-putting it is not putting off putting to everybody but it's
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off-putting to the people who if they have
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is that was more pleasing and some way or more fuller more resident they could
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really advanced in their personal lives and their careers and the way they felt
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our special guest is Patrick Munoz for more information on him you can go to
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his website just spell out the name patr IC k mu and cozy . com
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switching gears Patrick speech impediments
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how big of a problem is it for adults and how hard is it to overcome we're
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recording this during political season with major presidential conventions
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so we it brings to light a number of top politicians with speech impediments rudy
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giuliani has a list john mccain has a list there are several commentators on
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MSNBC and other networks with lisps for that matter
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Churchill Winston Churchill had a list and a stutter
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how much does it matter if you have a compelling message number one number two
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if you are an adult
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let's say you're over 30 and you already have a good career how time-consuming is
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it not just to change your accent but to actually overcome our pics & impediment
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so a quirky voice look I know I like 40 I just mean that it's a voice that has
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its that has let's say an impediment obstacle is a little bit different to
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maybe not saying they're ours it's an interest it's so it's fascinating TJ
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because if it's part of who you are and you own it and you're in the middle of
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your career and you doing this the way you speak and you're out there you're
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doing things and people say oh you sure now that last winter but you're like but
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you you're okay with it
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you're okay with it you do it and you're like yeah I have this but i'm not going
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it I say the more power to you I mean as a voice and speech I could be very like
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this is the way I used to do it
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it's about for me everyone knows about for you to send the moment ago it's
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about communicating
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that's all it is it's about communicating so as far as people who
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are our have accent are having pediments but and they are they embrace them and
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they can do it and it's not detracting from their advancement in their own
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I think it's it works out it works it good more power to them a lot of people
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who have impediments as an adult I've had people come to me in their 20 is
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that couldn't say there are so it was very difficult to say there was and it
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wasn't a new york thing it was just they consider oz and we try to get try to do
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it was very disheartening for my mom and I'm thinking of young twenties
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no man in his twenties and in fact when I talked about how that you know certain
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sound sound like the Boston X and some likely to San from Boston and I said you
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know you could we ever going to pause an exit
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but for him it was a little bit challenging but I'm working on it
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it got better it got better and because he's a good-looking man like me did
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he's going into a profession where he's going to be a salesperson at higher end
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and he wants it i'm not telling what he has to do but he wants to be able to
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speak in a way that sounds more professional
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he can work on it we met once a week we do over the course of 12 weeks 12
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sessions is ours got much better with a perfect no but there are much better and
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I've had girls love a woman that woman is backed by the list and as an actress
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she has a better ear perhaps and a more compelling reason to get rid of that
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list and we did it in six sections
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lists are often times easier to take care of the arson is very challenging
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the stutter is about relaxation
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and about exercises oftentimes when they start to sing
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that's daughter goes away but I was watching this show on TV
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bloodline apparently he was on something else before I don't know the actors name
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but he played the DA and he can't he doesn't have the walkway and say it's
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all right but he has a major role that's the way he plays but he's playing these
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balls so and i watched I was not want to know
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broadway show you a few years ago and this woman had a list it's like I was
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like a kick-ass you would say but she works all the time
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it's it is such a time I'm so glad we live in a world that if you have
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something and you believe in it you can make your self
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if you believe in yourself and you're doing this you have some feedback from
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the University so working
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go for it if they're like all of us
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I know for myself I've had my own fears of my own obstacles to get over and by
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doing that by facing it
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that fear and getting over the obstacle I feel so much more in my life so much
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more whole and I want to get better and better as i get older and it
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and as I teach and I learned from my clients so for those people
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let's do a little do they have to all of a sudden go away from their life and put
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all the time working on it
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no it's been a few minutes a day identifying it and they have the
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discipline to do that with a coach do it for six weeks probably see what happens
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and and and for that they can see that they think this is impossible
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at least they faced it but to walk away from something and say i'm not going to
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do it was like I'm never going to see my arse
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well that's the only impediment to actually learning is say no you say yes
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let me try and you can go from so long answer to your question all my answers
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are longer your questions and that is that's how this is the program this is
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in fact the program for really in depth answers to questions about speaking so
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if anything i want the longer I i would be remiss if I let you get away without
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weighing in on one other
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what I see is a major controversy regarding voice use of the vocal vocal
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cords and that is with respect to women every six months I see some art of
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buy some punitive expert saying women art is respected as much as men because
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they don't speak and as low voice in there
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they just spoke lower they would be more respected get more promotions
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I have a particular theory on those theories but I want to hear from you
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it's interesting so I we have in communication
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I've been working with a call center recently working coaching for them and
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so on a call tone of voice and what you say that when you say part is that a
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12-percent was a study done by UCLA professor years back and tone of voice
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what you're saying the way you say that's like eighty percent or eighty
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eight percent of what you're communicating the the words about twelve
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percent for this kind of communication that we have I see you you see me
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body language is 50% again their statistics wrong but that's a large part
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what I say twenty percent and the toll is thirty percent so this goes back to
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the tone of the voice right does the high-pitched voice then that can be that
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can be taken many ways so women's voices
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we all have our own little attitude and our own beliefs but how we react to
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some people have had women come to me and say my voice did to Heidi to get it
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i need to get a fuller
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well oftentimes and here's my take on this TJ is that most of us i would say
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ninety percent of americans and seventy percent of the world of making it up
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don't use their voice fully right especially Americans will talk to my
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throat right here that's where we talked for this is where the sound comes from
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so how can we really use our voice fully effects were talking from you don't have
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any kind of impact tomorrow our body or are resonators show
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I think they're doing a disservice to themselves and I'm not going to point
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out just women are going to say men and women are doing a bigger service to
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we're not finding out that they have is bigger for stronger voice they can
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ask them for their life women their voices are higher in excitement when we
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get excited men and women we can start our voices are to pick up as a woman of
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my voice is high or are you know in the get it
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it's some women have a higher . some have a lower our voices but if I'm
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starting from a platform
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my boys start a little higher I'm gonna get excited and they're going to go up
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here again some people that's fine they love it that's great for some people who
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have been in a restaurant and there's a a table of young women and they start to
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get excited about something almost always like this it's like very high now
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it's a very temple in personation and always going to be you know being
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accused of being sexist
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I'm not saying that i was saying that as a as a woman you keep we have to get a
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look at life is life is in life is changing luckily we have more opinions
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and more open-minded this and realizations of only our own power and
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having said that as a woman to be unfairly branded as though they're
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screech your this I think that's I think that's completely chauvinistic but i do
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think that they can they're doing a disservice themselves
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if that's the only voice they know because oftentimes TJ
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we've been conditioned to speak in a certain way either consciously or
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unconsciously wouldn't we be honest feedback like oh boys don't cry boys
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don't cry boys don't cry so man we don't we hold it so we don't show emotion
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and suddenly we're losing our communication which is some sort of an
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emotional voicemail some people aren't emotional some people are more
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I want you to be who you are but as a woman and as a man to develop your voice
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and have that whole range is really gonna do you well now there was one
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politician recently that some of my students interestingly enough said to me
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you all of you only coach sure we really wanted to reach out to her and culture
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because that voice gets kind of screech eat and other people say oh that and a
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few people say that
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face of hers is so wonderful is a strong man voice
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so again to get to the range of opinions I will say this that I know for sure
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having a coven voice where you breathe and it's relaxed and it's open that's
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you'll be in good stead in whatever situation if your voice goes high that's
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great and it will most likely the back down and even more important than that
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it will last through these it's the week of convention we can convention when you
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have to be out there talking loudly or when you're on the campaign trail you're
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speaking all the time you want to have a dependable voice so working on your
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voice will always be to your benefit
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