Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify Subscribe: episode updates we need to talk. tom scott, co-founder of the nantucket project in conversation with rp eddy, CEO of Ergo, who is on a cross country road trip stopover at Mt. Rushmore. tom details plans to travel the length of the Mississippi in service of gathering people in this country for conversation. he plans on driving from Itasca to New Orleans, with nine stops in between. furthermore, they take a look at the controversial release of the john bolton book, various national security advisors, the white house, classification, and more. tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration's pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo. rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser. listen to this episode on apple podcasts subscribe to our youtube channel follow us on facebook follow us on instagram transcript [00:00:24] I can I know where you are. But if you look over RPs left shoulder, which is to your right. You look perfect. Wow, look at how that focus is in, you know, RP. I was there. I want to tell a story about it, but I want you to talk about it first. Better than I would have guessed. Like, I really loved it there. Tell me tell me what you. What do you think? [00:00:50] Well, yeah, definitely, you know, I drove I drove right through this area in 1993 with my best buddy on our kind of in college. Let's Travel Across America trip. And we drove right by here and didn't stop. And I think we thought it was probably a, you know, a big tourist attraction. And I think we had read some stuff about Wounded Knee and we decide not to stop and which is kind of crazy to me, drive all in all the way across America, not spend nearly five minutes going up the road and seeing this. It's amazing. It's beautiful. It's stunning. I wish it didn't have the negative history that it has. But I guess a lot of things in America do. [00:01:39] But it's a it's stunning. It's amazing. And it's it's a pretty neat story. And it's gorgeous to look at. [00:01:46] Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's hard to tell from images, but the size is just stunning. Yeah. [00:01:54] We're we're staying at a hotel that's six miles away. And we have this great profile of George Washington from the hotel. And you can see this from a long way away. That's part of why they they pick this mountain. It's also part of why why this was Holy Mountain to the Native Americans. It's very prominent, as you can tell from the visit you have there. It's the highest mark around. [00:02:15] Yeah. So I was there 17 years ago, and the reason I know it was 17 years ago is because my son was one years old. He was one year old. You know, we had one child at the time and the same thing I was thinking, yeah, you know, whatever, Mount Rushmore. No big deal. We can skip it. And we said, now let's do it. And we came in and I just remember right away thinking, oh, I'm so happy. I came here for a whole variety of reasons. I remember the day we were there. So it's very quiet around there. Does it feel quiet today? [00:02:48] Yeah, it's quiet and it's it's probably pretty low, you know, low number of tourists because of the Corona. It's but it's also just a big, gorgeous area. I mean, you know, so as great as the view is behind me, the view in front of me is looking across the Black Hills of South Dakota. You know, we spent all day, all day yesterday driving across South Dakota. So talk about just humongous flat plains of grain, you know, and the crops were in the end of spring. So the crops are still a foot high at max. And it was stunning. I mean, Kelly and I and the boys, three little boys,
