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What if interviews were exercises in empathy rather than proofs of expertise? In this condensed 5-minute version (from the original 2 hours), Dax Shepard and Monica Padman sit with Stephen Dubner to map how curiosity, character, and clear framing change what we learn and how we live. You'll get the episode’s key takeaways: treating curiosity as a method, admitting errors as craft, depolarizing everyday life, and using AI as a brainstorming collaborator—not an author. Hear stories about summertime perspective, moral humility, and a provocative idea for a moratorium on political grandstanding. Hosts Dax Shepard and Monica Padman guide Dubner’s practical optimism into actionable habits. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.