A stark look at the underground markets that shape everyday life and policy. In this 7-minute distillation of a 3-hour conversation, host Joe Rogan and investigative reporter Mariana van Zeller map the hidden third of the global economy — from cartels and counterfeiters to scam factories, fraudulent rehabs, and tranq‑dope’s public‑health fallout. You’ll learn how illicit networks infiltrate legal systems, why people participate (ego, impunity, and a desire to be understood), and which policy and public‑health fixes experts say could help. Rogan and van Zeller blend field reporting, ethics, and practical solutions to press for accountability and empathy. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.
